The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_Franktalk]

Once I accepted God and an afterlife and pre-mortal existence then death lost its sting. The death of millions of people at the hand of man or God is not for us to use to determine if we believe or not. Let us say that tomorrow the sun has a massive Coronal discharge and it wipes out all electronics on the earth. This may lead to over 90% of all humans dying. Who is to blame? Is it possible that the billions who die learn something in their struggle before death? Just how valuable is that lesson? Death is a big deal but not big of a deal that I would adjust my faith in God over it.

[Guest]

Once I accepted God and an afterlife and pre-mortal existence then death lost its sting.

I never have worried about it to much, but I do notice it is still something religious fear.

The death of millions of people at the hand of man or God is not for us to use to determine if we believe or not.

Most probably don't, we just bring up some inconsistency's from some of the beliefs about certain Gods.

Let us say that tomorrow the sun has a massive Coronal discharge and it wipes out all electronics on the earth. This may lead to over 90% of all humans dying. Who is to blame? Is it possible that the billions who die learn something in their struggle before death? Just how valuable is that lesson?

And what do you think they will learn as they die probably in some horrible ways fighting for life. I suspect many will finally see their Christian God is not really there.

Death is a big deal but not big of a deal that I would adjust my faith in God over it.

That is why many adjust their beliefs based on new facts they may learn about their religion.

[_gdemetz]

Themis, scientists also adjust their beliefs on new evidence as it is presented. However, the church is very limited in its dogmas regarding much science since many details of the creation, etc., have not been revealed.

[_Themis]

Themis, scientists also adjust their beliefs on new evidence as it is presented. However, the church is very limited in its dogmas regarding much science since many details of the creation, etc., have not been revealed.

Science has always been willing to adjust it's understanding based on new information. Religion has not done a very good job here. Your own beliefs also show you are not willing to change either. I always have to check myself, but I was able to figure out the church is not true after decades of belief, so I think I have some willingness to change based on new information. The LDS church is a little hard to nail down regarding creation, but most discussions lately have been about your young earth ideas. Now Noah's flood being global is current LDS doctrine, not that many members actually believe that though.

[_gdemetz]

Themis are you sure that a GLOBAL flood is LDS church doctrine?

[_bcuzbcuz]

Themis are you sure that a GLOBAL flood is LDS church doctrine?

Are you saying it wasn't a global flood? Are you saying that other people, other than Noah and his sons and family, also survived? Are you saying that not all humanity was evil and therefore not destined to die in a global flood? Are you saying that animals and plants around the world were not destroyed? Is that how you explain kangaroos and whales and bugs around the world that aren't mentioned in the Old Testament? Are you saying that rainbows kept on shining but only started up again where Noah was living?

[_Buffalo]

Themis are you sure that a GLOBAL flood is LDS church doctrine?

It's definitely LDS doctrine. It's reiterated over and over again in church teaching manuals and the Ensign.

[_Themis]

Themis are you sure that a GLOBAL flood is LDS church doctrine?

Yes. When ever the church has brought it up the nature of the flood it has always indicated it was global. here is an ensign article which specifically says it is doctrine.

http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1998/01/the-flood-and-the-tower-of-babel?lang=eng

Now keep in mind that many, maybe even most, members do not believe it was global and the church is not going to discipline anyone for not.

Now you asked a question regarding the church's stance on a subject. You see that I provided a link to a site which directly answers your question. I had asserted something you questioned so it was my job to do the work of providing at least one source that specifically deals with supporting my assertion. This is what we ask of you, to do your own work and not expect others to do the work of looking for evidence to support your assertions. Now do you know how to use the link feature on this forum? If not ask and we can help. If you do, you need to use it since most here including myself are not going to go googling the internet to look for supporting evidence of your assertions.

[_gdemetz]

Themis, I looked at the site you gave and it said what I believed which is that the waters covered the whole earth, mountains hills, etc., but remember that this was in the days before the earth was divided. I may have missed something, but when I said global, I meant the whole globe. I think that those JST verses apply to the whole land mass, did I miss something?

[_Themis]

Themis, I looked at the site you gave and it said what I believed which is that the waters covered the whole earth, mountains hills, etc., but remember that this was in the days before the earth was divided. I may have missed something, but when I said global, I meant the whole globe. I think that those JST verses apply to the whole land mass, did I miss something?

IF the earth is supposed all one land mass and it is covered by water then it is global.