George Zimmerman: "Head Wound" Photos and Methamphetamine

[_Eric]

The OP states that Zimmerman was not treated for any "head wounds" at the hospital, that he was on powerful drugs, that he was referred to a psychologist, and that he expressed feeling stress and nausea when thinking about his own "violence" against Martin.

How a picture of some scratches on the back of Zimmerman's head "destroys" anything that has been written in this thread or the linked article is a mystery to me.

[_ajax18]

Exactly. The spirit of "stand your ground" would seem to give you permission to punch somebody who is coming after you with a gun.

So you're going to try to punch someone coming at you with a gun rather than run? I think it's more likely that Travon was the one coming after George.

You can have your head bashed into the concrete and not necessarilly bleed depending on how well you can resist it. Just because Zimmerman did not sustain any actual injury doesn't preclude Travon from physically attacking him in my mind.

Let's be honest about this. If your position is that Zimmerman should never have gotten out of the car and that when he followed Trayvon he gave up any right to self defense than ok. I'd just like to see how far apart we really are. Suppose these were the facts,

Zimmerman is told not follow Travon. He continues to do so against orders but later gives up and starts walking back to his car. Maybe he says something that pisses Trayvon off and Travon starts to charge him while Zimmerman's back is turned. Trayvon starts to punch him and has him on the ground. He attempts to bash Zimmerman's head into the concrete but Zimmerman hangs on and is able to avoid serious injury. Zimmerman manages to get a handle on his pistol and shoots Travon while Travon is on top of him. Trayvon never intended to kill Zimmerman, just beat him up really good.

Given these facts would you guys on the left say that this qualifies as 2nd degree murder? Would you call it manslaughter instead? Or would you just call that self defense?

[_Bond James Bond]

Exactly. The spirit of "stand your ground" would seem to give you permission to punch somebody who is coming after you with a gun.

So you're going to try to punch someone coming at you with a gun rather than run? I think it's more likely that Travon was the one coming after George.

Because Trayvon jumped out of his car to pursue Zimmerman right?

[_ajax18]

If you were trying to shoot someone coming at you with a gun I would understand. Punch a gunman in self defense? Give me a break.

[_SteelHead]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=2012191 ... featured-3

[_bcspace]

The OP states that Zimmerman was not treated for any "head wounds" at the hospital

The OP hypothesizes from a blurry photo that Zimmerman was not injured in the back of the head. But the clearer, better timely placed photo on the scene destroys your OP.

[_bcspace]

Because Trayvon jumped out of his car to pursue Zimmerman right?

The statement is that Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was reaching for Zimmerman's gun but Zimmerman got to it first. We only have Zimmerman's side of course, the but the evidence as currently reported supports that side.

that he was on powerful drugs

We also know that those side effects present themselves in only 10% of people so the fact that there had been trouble in the neighborhood before and Zimmerman was concerned about it comes to the fore.

[_Eric]

If Zimmerman was injured so severely, why was he not treated the night he stalked and killed a teenage boy?

His attorney says his nose was broken, yet doctors at the hospital did not even bandage him, rather they referred him to a metal health professional.

From the OP:

The court documents also show that prior to the shooting, Zimmerman had received prescriptions for Adderall and Temazepam, which have been shown to cause agitation and mood swings, though in less than 10 percent of consumers.

The report also shows Zimmerman said he felt stressed and "occasional nausea when thinking about the violence." Despite the head injuries, he wasn't diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor recommended that Zimmerman be evaluated by a psychologist.

Zimmerman declined being admitted to a hospital for treatment on the night of the shooting, according to the report. He didn't take his doctor's advice to schedule a later visit with an ear, nose and throat physician.

As to being on both "uppers" and "downers," that is not good for Zimmerman's case.

http://mental-health.emedtv.com/m/metha ... fects.html

Things are not looking good for Zimmerman and his fan club.
I hope he is prepared for some true MMA in prison: Man on Man Action.

[_Analytics]

Exactly. The spirit of "stand your ground" would seem to give you permission to punch somebody who is coming after you with a gun.

So you're going to try to punch someone coming at you with a gun rather than run? I think it's more likely that Travon was the one coming after George.

You can have your head bashed into the concrete and not necessarilly bleed depending on how well you can resist it. Just because Zimmerman did not sustain any actual injury doesn't preclude Travon from physically attacking him in my mind.

Let's be honest about this. If your position is that Zimmerman should never have gotten out of the car and that when he followed Trayvon he gave up any right to self defense than ok. I'd just like to see how far apart we really are. Suppose these were the facts,

Basically. Zimmerman should not have carried a gun. He should not have gotten out of the car. I don’t know the details of what happened, but it’s clear that Zimmerman started it. When you shoot somebody to end a fight that you started, it isn’t self-defense.

[_ajax18]

When you shoot somebody to end a fight that you started, it isn’t self-defense.

So even if Trayvon threw the first punch, Zimmerman started the fight in your opinion, correct?