The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_Franktalk]

The Bible is the teaching of Man.
What eye witnesses?

Wow, hard to answer comments like these.

2Pe 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

[_gdemetz]

Good post FrankTalk!

[_Themis]

Wow, hard to answer comments like these.

2Pe 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Poor post frank. You don't seem to understand the problem. You quote 2nd Peter but you cannot confirm Peter wrote it. You just assume it, but we don't know it is actually an eye witness account. All the evidence for this one suggest it was written well after, so it is impossible to have any idea of who wrote it. People writing accounts and putting someone Else's name to it was very common. This is the problem the Bible has, and where we can see a number of mistakes Joseph made with the Book of Mormon, but then he would not have known about them.

[_gdemetz]

FrankTalk, Themis has a conspiracy theory for everything! He probably thinks the US government was behind the 9-11 attacks!

[_Themis]

FrankTalk, Themis has a conspiracy theory for everything! He probably thinks the US government was behind the 9-11 attacks!

Since I don't think the US government was behind 911 your claim I have a conspiracy for everything is wrong. This is just your substance-less dodge of the issue by trying to attack the person instead of the argument. I am not saying someone named Peter didn't write it. Only that we don't have good evidence that he did, so we can't treat it as eye witness testimony.

[_Franktalk]

Poor post frank. You don't seem to understand the problem. You quote 2nd Peter but you cannot confirm Peter wrote it. You just assume it, but we don't know it is actually an eye witness account. All the evidence for this one suggest it was written well after, so it is impossible to have any idea of who wrote it. People writing accounts and putting someone Else's name to it was very common. This is the problem the Bible has, and where we can see a number of mistakes Joseph made with the Book of Mormon, but then he would not have known about them.

I do not confirm scripture in any way. That is not my job. For me various parts of scripture carries a message, a message that the Holy Spirit witnesses to. For me this is truth and everything else must be seen through this truth. You may not agree with this. It seems to me that you accept the word of other men very easily. I am sure that you believe many things that you have not personally witnessed. So you take the word of others. They just happen to be uninspired men.

[_Drifting]

Are we playing stupid now.

I don't believe Franktalk is playing, but I do believe gdemetz is.

[_gdemetz]

Exactly right FrankTalk. It's the spiritually blind leading the spiritually blind!

[_Drifting]

I do not confirm scripture in any way. That is not my job. For me various parts of scripture carries a message, a message that the Holy Spirit witnesses to. For me this is truth and everything else must be seen through this truth. You may not agree with this. It seems to me that you accept the word of other men very easily. I am sure that you believe many things that you have not personally witnessed. So you take the word of others. They just happen to be uninspired men.

Actually, you only assume they are uninspired men because they don't agree with what the feeling in your tummy tells you is right.

[_Themis]

I do not confirm scripture in any way. That is not my job. For me various parts of scripture carries a message, a message that the Holy Spirit witnesses to.

That really is not the issue of why the Bible is not really eye witness testimony. As to the spirit it does the same for other religious text you don't believe in, and even then you still cannot agree with fellow believers on many issues.

For me this is truth and everything else must be seen through this truth. You may not agree with this.

Why should I agree when I can find others who use the same method and come up with conflicting truth(as you are using the word).

It seems to me that you accept the word of other men very easily. I am sure that you believe many things that you have not personally witnessed. So you take the word of others. They just happen to be uninspired men.

I tend to try and check the evidence, but in many instances I may not worry to much about it since it won't change my life any, but then I will easily change my view if new information suggest I should. This is the huge advantage I have over you. The other is that I at understand my knowledge comes from man. Yours does as well but you mistakenly think it comes form some divine source.