Franktalk wrote:As for the search for God I have concluded it is a personal path and one that can't be shared to a point where another can experience what I experience.
No one has suggested we can articulate our experiences to that point. I just note that you and other like gd avoid articulating what they can in certain environments. I can look at my own experiences and also those whom I know that share them. I can also look at church material that describes many of them from Joesph on down. So far I see nothing the body is not capable of. This is an issue you avoid like the plague, but I understand why. The rest of your post is just a list of substance-less assertions to believe you know but don't. You use the word know the same way we do the word sure. You are sure because you are sure.
Themis wrote:No one has suggested we can articulate our experiences to that point. I just note that you and other like gd avoid articulating what they can in certain environments. I can look at my own experiences and also those whom I know that share them. I can also look at church material that describes many of them from Joesph on down. So far I see nothing the body is not capable of. This is an issue you avoid like the plague, but I understand why. The rest of your post is just a list of substance-less assertions to believe you know but don't. You use the word know the same way we do the word sure. You are sure because you are sure.
It is true that the body and mind can indeed manufacture all kinds of visions and ideas. No one will dispute that. But when was the last time you saw a bunch of crazy people all band together and believe the same thing? Satan has been successful in forming collectives like the NAZI's and there have been other groups as well. But to gather around an idea for two thousand years is of course unique. When the idea is self sacrifice and not the sacrifice of others.
Franktalk wrote: It is true that the body and mind can indeed manufacture all kinds of visions and ideas. No one will dispute that.
It's an important point. We can see the4 same thing in other non-christian religions as well as non-religious and even with the aliens community.
But when was the last time you saw a bunch of crazy people all band together and believe the same thing?
I wouldn't say Christians are crazy, but all we have to do is look around at all the thousands of religions and even some non-religious groups.
Satan has been successful in forming collectives like the NAZI's and there have been other groups as well. But to gather around an idea for two thousand years is of course unique. When the idea is self sacrifice and not the sacrifice of others.
There are older religions, so it is not really unique.
Read the scriptures Themis. Oh, that's right, you are the one that wants to change history. If I write something in my journal, you may want to change that also.
I am sorry you have no dept of understanding. Your throwing stuff about to see what sticks is pretty lame. If you were to describe why we have all of the religions of the world that would be interesting but to supply a list is worthless.
gdemetz wrote:There are no older religions than Christianity, Themis. Remember the angel's visit to Adam, and what the angel told him?
Now we know Adam spoke to the angel sometime after 4,000 BCE...
The earliest evidence for prehistoric religion in India date back to the late Neolithic in the early Harappan period (5500–2600 BCE).[18][19] The beliefs and practices of the pre-classical era (1500–500 BCE) are called the "historical Vedic religion". The Vedic religion shows influence from Proto-Indo-European religion.[20][21][22][23] The oldest Veda is the Rigveda, dated to 1700–1100 BCE.[24] The Vedas center on worship of deities such as Indra, Varuna and Agni, and on the Soma ritual. Fire-sacrifices, called yajña were performed, and Vedic mantras chanted but no temples or idols are known.[25]
So no, Christianity is not the oldest religion.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
gdemetz wrote:Read the scriptures Themis. Oh, that's right, you are the one that wants to change history. If I write something in my journal, you may want to change that also.
We asked if you could show us a signed document. Even a journal entry from one of 8 saying they signed a document would be ok. Continuing to attack the person to distract from your failings in our requests is not going to work.
I am sorry you have no dept of understanding. Your throwing stuff about to see what sticks is pretty lame. If you were to describe why we have all of the religions of the world that would be interesting but to supply a list is worthless.
I accept your admission I am right and you were wrong about your assertions. If you want to provide some substance instead of simple minded assertions that are easy to refute go right ahead.
Do you agree that other non-christian religions have visions, dreams, etc?
Did you really think Christian are the only group that got together and believed the same thing, although that is not entirely true if you look at all the different christian groups around.
Did you really think Christianity is the only old religion. As we have shown there are older religions. Again Drifting and I are at least providing substance.
