Bible verse by verse

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http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.
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MCB wrote:http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


Have you read the Bhagavad Gita? A very small book (it will take you a couple of hours to read). Available at any book store. It's lovely.
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Quasimodo wrote:
MCB wrote:http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


Have you read the Bhagavad Gita? A very small book (it will take you a couple of hours to read). Available at any book store. It's lovely.



Just loaded it on my kindle - looking forward to reading it.
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I will have to put it off for a while. I am in the middle of some other books recommended on the board. On the other hand, one of my e-mail correspondents did mention that I ought to diversify my interests.
Huckelberry said:
I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.

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son of Ishmael wrote:
Just loaded it on my kindle - looking forward to reading it.

You're in for a treat. Remember how old this is and how full of metaphors it is while you're reading it.
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Quasimodo wrote:
son of Ishmael wrote:
Just loaded it on my kindle - looking forward to reading it.

You're in for a treat. Remember how old this is and how full of metaphors it is while you're reading it.



I will let you know what I think.
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MCB wrote:http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


I tend to take the good and discard the bad or incorrect if I can figure out which is which. :wink:
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Themis wrote:
MCB wrote:http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

I guess the best test is to read it, and see if it provides a better guide for living than the Bible.


I tend to take the good and discard the bad or incorrect if I can figure out which is which. :wink:


That is really the trick, isn't it. It all comes down to what best meets our own criterion. I'm still confused about it all. I don't know what is true. I'm starting to get a handle on what is not true.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Thanks, for your welcome. The truth is I see life on this planet. And science cannot provide a logical reason how it started or why scientists cannot seem to duplicate what would have to be a "simple" process, if it originated on its own with only nudges from "Mother Nature."


I see life on this planet as well. That science does not understand exactly how it originated does not lead me to believe in must have been created by some God. It just leads to the turtle problem.

Obviously, I cannot make you believe anything, but perhaps God will use discussions (such as this ) to plant seeds of faith to draw you.


Quasimodo is right that you need to provide more then the " I said so" to realistically or reasonably get people to believe what you believe.
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God created the universe because he was bored and lonely.

Eric Frank Russell
in 'Sole Solution'
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He brooded in darkness and there was no one else. Not a voice, not a whisper. Not the touch of a hand. Not the warmth of another heart.

Darkness.

Solitude.

Eternal confinement where all was black and silent and nothing stirred. Imprisonment without prior condemnation. Punishment without sin. The unbearable that had to be borne unless some mode of escape could be devised.
No hope of rescue from elsewhere. No sorrow or sympathy or pity in another soul, another mind. No doors to be opened, no locks to be turned, no bars to be sawn apart. Only the thick, deep sable night in which to fumble and find nothing.

Circle a hand to the right and there is nought. Sweep an arm to the left and discover emptiness utter and complete. Walk forward through the darkness like a blind man lost in a vast, forgotten hall and there is no floor, no echo of footsteps, nothing to bar one’s path.
He could touch and sense one thing only. And that was self.
Therefore the only available resources with which to overcome his predicament were those secreted within himself. He must be the instrument of his own salvation.

How?
No problem is beyond solution. By that thesis science lives. Without it, science dies. He was the ultimate scientist. As such, he could not refuse this challenge to his capabilities.
His torments were those of boredom, loneliness, mental and physical sterility. They were not to be endured. The easiest escape is via the imagination. One hangs in a strait-jacket and flees the corporeal trap by adventuring in a dreamland of one’s own.
But dreams are not enough. They are unreal and all too brief. The freedom to be gained must be genuine and of long duration. That meant he must make a stern reality of dreams, a reality so contrived that it would persist for all time. It must be self-perpetuating. Nothing less would make escape complete.
So he sat in the great dark and battled the problem. There was no clock, no calendar to mark the length of thought. There were no external data upon which to compute. There was nothing, nothing except the workings within his agile mind.

And one thesis: no problem is beyond solution.
He found it eventually. It meant escape from everlasting night. It would provide experience, companionship, adventure, mental exercise, entertainment, warmth, love, the sound of voices, the touch of hands.
The plan was anything but rudimentary. On the contrary it was complicated enough to defy untangling for endless aeons. It had to be like that to have permanence. The unwanted alternative was swift return to silence and the bitter dark.
It took a deal of working out. A million and one aspects had to be considered along with all their diverse effects upon each other. And when that was done he had to cope with the next million. And so on ... on ... on.
He created a mighty dream of his own, a place of infinite complexity schemed in every detail to the last dot and comma. Within this he would live anew. But not as himself. He was going to dissipate his person into numberless parts, a great multitude of variegated shapes and forms each of which would have to battle its own peculiar environment.
And he would toughen the struggle to the limit of endurance by unthinking himself, handicapping his parts with appalling ignorance and forcing them to learn afresh. He would seed enmity between them by dictating the basic rules of the game. Those who observed the rules would be called good. Those who did not would be called bad. Thus there would be endless delaying conflicts within the one great conflict.
When all was ready and prepared he intended to disrupt and become no longer one, but an enormous concourse of entities. Then his parts must fight back to unity and himself.

But first he must make reality of the dream. Ah, that was the test!

The time was now. The experiment must begin.

Leaning forward, he gazed into the dark and said, ‘Let there be light.’

And there was light.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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