You can access the source anytime you wish. The source was God. Speak to God if you want to know if it is true. That has always been the Moroni challenge, whether you understand it or not.SteelHead wrote:We have the Book of Mormon, not the plates. The challenge is to produce the source material for the Book of Mormon, be it manuscript lost or the plates.
Now produce your source.
Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?
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"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Still not the same thing. Produce the source material.
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Really?!? You can't read the Gold Plates, so it won't do you much good to possess them. But, if seeing the plates is important to you, ask God. God has the plates. Why don't you ask him to show them to you? In many ways, speaking to God is the answer you are afraid to deal with it appears.SteelHead wrote:Still not the same thing. Produce the source material.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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So I can't read them... So what? The spaulding manuscript is equally as likely a source as the plates. Neither can be proven.
As to talking with god about it. I did. Exu said the Book of Mormon is crap.
As to talking with god about it. I did. Exu said the Book of Mormon is crap.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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SteelHead wrote:So I can't read them... So what? The spaulding manuscript is equally as likely a source as the plates. Neither can be proven.
As to talking with god about it. I did. Exu said the Book of Mormon is crap.
That is where you are mistaken. God can actually speak with you. So, eventually you will see God SteelHead and know that all these things are true. You would be much better off speaking with God now instead of pretending otherwise. But, if you don't care to know the truth, that is your problem.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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I see my god all the time, we talk, he teaches me. Taught me how to fechar meu corpo. I asked him about the Book of Mormon. He said it was "merda pura".
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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As I said, pretend all you want. It doesn't matter SteelHead. You'll have to face the truth eventually.SteelHead wrote:I see my god all the time, we talk, he teaches me. Taught me how to fechar meu corpo. I asked him about the Book of Mormon. He said it was "merda pura".
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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I am not pretending. My unverifiable personal interactions with Exu are every bit as real to me as your interaction with Jehovah is to you.
On a side note, Exu said that he "entrou na roda" com Jesus the other day, and that after derrubando Jesus twice with rabo de arriai, Exu determined that Jesus is a moleque chorao. Which being interpreted means whiney bitch.
On a side note, Exu said that he "entrou na roda" com Jesus the other day, and that after derrubando Jesus twice with rabo de arriai, Exu determined that Jesus is a moleque chorao. Which being interpreted means whiney bitch.
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It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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We'll see.SteelHead wrote:I am not pretending.
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Re: Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?
Tobin wrote:You can access the source anytime you wish. The source was God. Speak to God if you want to know if it is true. That has always been the Moroni challenge, whether you understand it or not.SteelHead wrote:We have the Book of Mormon, not the plates. The challenge is to produce the source material for the Book of Mormon, be it manuscript lost or the plates.
Now produce your source.
Hello tobin,
With regards to that Moroni challenge do you really think that it makes sense? The reason I ask is why would God have a concern with regards to whether we believed in the historicity of the Book of Mormon. Can God also be relied upon to tell us if Atlantis ever existed, whether there is an abonimable snowman, or what stocks will go up or down? If not then why would he consider it important that we believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon and not the other things?
May all your naps be joyous occasions.