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gdemetz wrote:Is that all you can say Nipper? That God is triune {sic}. You don't see a big problem with the limited intelligence of God if that ridiculous plan I mentioned were true? God is not a weird three in one creature which the precepts of man has taught! The Biblical prophets have also seen the the same vision that Joseph Smith saw, and that is Christ standing (or sitting) on the right hand of Heavenly Father! Does it make since to you that if they were so closely connected as being of "the same substance" as stated by the Athenasian creed, that Christ would not know when He was to return, but His Father would, not to mention that He would be landing on Himself at His own baptism while throwing His voice from heaven to declare how well pleased He was with Himself as well as praying to Himself?!?

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine... and shall be turn unto fables."


Sorry, however you are overlooking Pilippians 2:7 but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,

It is you, it would seem, who are limiting God's talents. Jesus spoke as the Heavenly Father revealed the truths unto him. Jesus was about his Father's work, but Jesus previous to his incarnation had emptied himself and was also a perfect human for that moment in history. So when Jesus prayed, He was setting an example for his followers to have. He was also interacting with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Once Jesus went to heaven, the Holy Spirit was released to come to earth and fulfill his duties. In Revelations we have Christ fully revealed and aware of what the future will bring and when. Jesus is now refilled and is no longer limiting himself to human frailties. Visions are limited to human understanding. However, in the case of Joseph Smith, I seriously have my doubts of his sincerity. I do not accept Mr Smith's additions/explanations/corrections to Gods authoritative Word as biblical truth.
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Genesis 3:20-24 Adam called his wife Eve because she is humanities mother. And God made clothes of animal hide (the first sacrafice) and put them on the human pair. And Christ said that man is now like the triune Godhead in that man has knowledge of good and bad, so unless they prevent the man from eating from the Tree of Life --- man being spiritually dead, would live in that state bodily for the entire time earth exists. So God sent out Adam to tend the ground (from which Adam originated) outside the gardern to the East of Eden. And God placed cherbs and a flaming sword to block the return, so that there was no way around to access the Tree of Life.

20 And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living.

21 And Jehovah God doth make to the man and to his wife coats of skin, and doth clothe them.

22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --

23 Jehovah God sendeth him forth from the garden of Eden to serve the ground from which he hath been taken;

24 yea, he casteth out the man, and causeth to dwell at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flame of the sword which is turning itself round to guard the way of the tree of life
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Little Nipper, it is interesting that the nature of the triune God is so misinterpreted by those who do not accept it. Simply put it is that three "personalities" make up one God..those "personalities" being Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If critics don't want to believe it that is their right but they should at least try to know what those who do believe it teach.
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Albion wrote:Little Nipper, it is interesting that the nature of the triune God is so misinterpreted by those who do not accept it. Simply put it is that three "personalities" make up one God..those "personalities" being Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If critics don't want to believe it that is their right but they should at least try to know what those who do believe it teach.


Thanks, It is hard for even those who believe that God is Triune to understand that principle... People look at such hesitation as weakness or not having the truth. The simple TRUTH is GOD is above and beyond anything we can understand. Christ is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. They are three persons and they exist as one esscence GOD. The reality seems to be that when the Old Testament characters were talking God, walking with God, wrestling with God, that they were dealing with a pre-incarnate manifestation of Christ. God the Father remains invisable for the most part as is the Holy Spirit.
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It so happens that that so called principle is a lie and a man made doctrine which sprung up during the great apostasy from a ridiculous interpretation of Christ's figurative statement that He and His Father were one! Apparently they forgot to read the statement He made which also stated that He would pray for His apostles that they may all be one JUST as He and His Father were one! This is just one more example of a man made non Biblical doctrine. The concept, or even the word Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Bible!
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gdemetz wrote:It so happens that that so called principle is a lie and a man made doctrine which sprung up during the great apostasy from a ridiculous interpretation of Christ's figurative statement that He and His Father were one! Apparently they forgot to read the statement He made which also stated that He would pray for His apostles that they may all be one JUST as He and His Father were one! This is just one more example of a man made non Biblical doctrine. The concept, or even the word Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Bible!



Is the Lord Jesus Christ God?
Is God the Father God?
Is the Holy Spirit/Comforter God?

Does the Bible say there are three Gods or One God?

I believe that God is made up of three personages and each one is God but they together are God also. There are no other gods.
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LittleNipper wrote:Genesis 3:20-24 Adam called his wife Eve because she is humanities mother. And God made clothes of animal hide (the first sacrafice) and put them on the human pair. And Christ said that man is now like the triune Godhead in that man has knowledge of good and bad, so unless they prevent the man from eating from the Tree of Life --- man being spiritually dead, would live in that state bodily for the entire time earth exists. So God sent out Adam to tend the ground (from which Adam originated) outside the gardern to the East of Eden. And God placed cherbs and a flaming sword to block the return, so that there was no way around to access the Tree of Life.

20 And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living.

21 And Jehovah God doth make to the man and to his wife coats of skin, and doth clothe them.

22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --

23 Jehovah God sendeth him forth from the garden of Eden to serve the ground from which he hath been taken;

24 yea, he casteth out the man, and causeth to dwell at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flame of the sword which is turning itself round to guard the way of the tree of life


And then Adam lives to the ripe old age of 930!!!! Wow! But then, the whole story wasn't written down for another 3000 years. Do you think that somewhere between the first telling and the final writing that someone along the way added on a few years....sort of....just to make the old guy even more impressive???? If someone was to find Adam's teeth, they have 930 growth rings in them?
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bcuzbcuz wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Genesis 3:20-24 Adam called his wife Eve because she is humanities mother. And God made clothes of animal hide (the first sacrafice) and put them on the human pair. And Christ said that man is now like the triune Godhead in that man has knowledge of good and bad, so unless they prevent the man from eating from the Tree of Life --- man being spiritually dead, would live in that state bodily for the entire time earth exists. So God sent out Adam to tend the ground (from which Adam originated) outside the gardern to the East of Eden. And God placed cherbs and a flaming sword to block the return, so that there was no way around to access the Tree of Life.

20 And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living.

21 And Jehovah God doth make to the man and to his wife coats of skin, and doth clothe them.

22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --

23 Jehovah God sendeth him forth from the garden of Eden to serve the ground from which he hath been taken;

24 yea, he casteth out the man, and causeth to dwell at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flame of the sword which is turning itself round to guard the way of the tree of life


And then Adam lives to the ripe old age of 930!!!! Wow! But then, the whole story wasn't written down for another 3000 years. Do you think that somewhere between the first telling and the final writing that someone along the way added on a few years....sort of....just to make the old guy even more impressive???? If someone was to find Adam's teeth, they have 930 growth rings in them?

Well, I believe that God has the power to override any flaw His chosen possess. I also feel that there was an oral history and there is very strong evidence of a star or celestial reading history (and this the Babylonians tried to distort with their zodiac rendition).
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LittleNipper wrote:
gdemetz wrote:It so happens that that so called principle is a lie and a man made doctrine which sprung up during the great apostasy from a ridiculous interpretation of Christ's figurative statement that He and His Father were one! Apparently they forgot to read the statement He made which also stated that He would pray for His apostles that they may all be one JUST as He and His Father were one! This is just one more example of a man made non Biblical doctrine. The concept, or even the word Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Bible!



Is the Lord Jesus Christ God?
Is God the Father God?
Is the Holy Spirit/Comforter God?

Does the Bible say there are three Gods or One God?

I believe that God is made up of three personages and each one is God but they together are God also. There are no other gods.


But wait...in the Book of Abraham it says the "Gods" created the earth.
As we Mormons know, the people who actually created the Earth were Jehovah and Michael (who became Adam). So you need to add Michael/Adam to the list of who is a God.
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Drifting wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Is the Lord Jesus Christ God?
Is God the Father God?
Is the Holy Spirit/Comforter God?

Does the Bible say there are three Gods or One God?

I believe that God is made up of three personages and each one is God but they together are God also. There are no other gods.


But wait...in the Book of Abraham it says the "Gods" created the earth.
As we Mormons know, the people who actually created the Earth were Jehovah and Michael (who became Adam). So you need to add Michael/Adam to the list of who is a God.

And that is a DIFFERENT GOSPEL message from what the Bible clearly states.
Colossians 1
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Timotheus the brother,

2 to the saints in Colossae, and to the faithful brethren in Christ: Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ!

3 We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, always praying for you,

4 having heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love that [is] to all the saints,

5 because of the hope that is laid up for you in the heavens, which ye heard of before in the word of the truth of the good news,

6 which is present to you, as also in all the world, and is bearing fruit, as also in you, from the day in which ye heard, and knew the grace of God in truth;

7 as ye also learned from Epaphras, our beloved fellow-servant, who is for you a faithful ministrant of the Christ,

8 who also did declare to us your love in the Spirit.

9 Because of this, we also, from the day in which we heard, do not cease praying for you, and asking that ye may be filled with the full knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,

10 to your walking worthily of the Lord to all pleasing, in every good work being fruitful, and increasing to the knowledge of God,

11 in all might being made mighty according to the power of His glory, to all endurance and long-suffering with joy.

12 Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light,

13 who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate [us] into the reign of the Son of His love,

14 in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins,

15 who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,

16 because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,17 and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted.

18 And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all [things] -- himself -- first,

19 because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle,

20 and through him to reconcile the all things to himself -- having made peace through the blood of his cross -- through him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens
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