Accurate membership numbers - Brazil

[_Drifting]

According to the official 2010 census.

Population = 191 million
Mormons = 226,000 (0.118% of population)

ftp://ftp.ibge.gov.br/Censos/Censo_Demo ... tab1_4.pdf

[_Dr. Shades]

So, what is the conclusion you're hoping we draw from this?

[_son of Ishmael]

According to the official 2010 census.

Population = 191 million
Mormons = 226,000 (0.118% of population)

ftp://ftp.ibge.gov.br/Censos/Censo_Demo ... tab1_4.pdf

Since it is from the census, I take it these are people who self identify as Mormon. I wonder how many people does the church count as Mormon in Brazil?

[_ludwigm]

According to http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=main&wid=30:

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# Faith                  Congregations  Active Members  Adherents   Percent  Annual Growth
1 Catholic               0              0               147280800   80.00%   0.94%
2 Jehovah's Witnesses    8099           536270          1329194     0.72%    0.94%
3 Seventh-day Adventists 3599           936575          1873150     1.02%    6.00%
4 Latter-day Saints      1796           254788          1019153     0.554%   3.51%

The site declares the line 4 is from Official LDS Statistics...
(LDS membership and unit data are derived from the LDS Church Almanac)
(Price: $19.95)

As the retention rate is 20-25 % outside of US, this fits to the standard.

The same case in Chile and the Philippines, where the census and official data shows some difference...

Elder Holland and Elder Oaks were sent to Chile and the Phillipines respectively, I have been curious about the results of their tours. I’ve been reading Plutarch lately, so I can’t help but thinking about them as proconsuls, sent out by the Mormon Senate to set the provinces in order.

From http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_3661419 (By Peggy Fletcher Stack The Salt Lake Tribune Published April 1, 2006 12:00 am, and it is nothing about April 1):
By the numbers
535,000 - Members on the LDS Church rolls
200,000 - Names in the "Lost Addresses" file
120,000 - People who identified themselves as Mormons on the 2002 Chilean census
57,000 - Average attendance at sacrament meeting, nationwide
-- Source: Ted Lyon, Brigham Young University specialist on Latin America


See Потёмкинские деревни, Potyomkinskiye derevni

"Potemkin village" has also been used to describe the attempts of the government of the Soviet Union to fool foreign visitors. The government would take such visitors, who were often already sympathetic to socialism or Communism, to selected villages, factories, schools, stores, or neighborhoods and present them as if they were typical, rather than exceptional. Given the strict limitations on the movement of foreigners in the USSR, it was often impossible for these visitors to see any other examples.

[_Drifting]

On the 23rd April 2012 President NewsRoom said:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Brazil and the Amazon Region
SALT LAKE CITY — 
The first known members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) in Brazil were two German families who immigrated to Brazil — one in 1913 and the other in 1923. During the decade that followed, others joined the Church, and the first congregation was organized in Joinville in 1930.

By the end of the 1950s, the number of Church members totaled 3,700. Today, more than 1.1 million Latter-day Saints live in Brazil.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/c ... nts-brazil

[_subgenius]

On the 23rd April 2012 President NewsRoom said:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Brazil and the Amazon Region
SALT LAKE CITY — 
The first known members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) in Brazil were two German families who immigrated to Brazil — one in 1913 and the other in 1923. During the decade that followed, others joined the Church, and the first congregation was organized in Joinville in 1930.

By the end of the 1950s, the number of Church members totaled 3,700. Today, more than 1.1 million Latter-day Saints live in Brazil.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/c ... nts-brazil

and how many of them participated in the census?

even the census in the USA estimates that it misses about 2% of population (6.4 million) and counts some people more than once (up to 3.1 million)
and of this under-count it is noted that it occurs mostly among the poor (and minority)...hmm..wonder about the accuracy in the favelas ?
but i am sure whatever gnat you are straining here is well supported and critical to the LDS church at such a level that one can not help but be shocked out of membership.

[_just me]

According to http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=main&wid=30:

Code: Select all

# Faith                  Congregations  Active Members  Adherents   Percent  Annual Growth
1 Catholic               0              0               147280800   80.00%   0.94%
2 Jehovah's Witnesses    8099           536270          1329194     0.72%    0.94%
3 Seventh-day Adventists 3599           936575          1873150     1.02%    6.00%
4 Latter-day Saints      1796           254788          1019153     0.554%   3.51%

The site declares the line 4 is from Official LDS Statistics...
(LDS membership and unit data are derived from the LDS Church Almanac)
(Price: $19.95)

As the retention rate is 20-25 % outside of US, this fits to the standard.

The same case in Chile and the Philippines, where the census and official data shows some difference...

Elder Holland and Elder Oaks were sent to Chile and the Phillipines respectively, I have been curious about the results of their tours. I’ve been reading Plutarch lately, so I can’t help but thinking about them as proconsuls, sent out by the Mormon Senate to set the provinces in order.

From http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_3661419 (By Peggy Fletcher Stack The Salt Lake Tribune Published April 1, 2006 12:00 am, and it is nothing about April 1):
By the numbers
535,000 - Members on the LDS Church rolls
200,000 - Names in the "Lost Addresses" file
120,000 - People who identified themselves as Mormons on the 2002 Chilean census
57,000 - Average attendance at sacrament meeting, nationwide
-- Source: Ted Lyon, Brigham Young University specialist on Latin America


See Потёмкинские деревни, Potyomkinskiye derevni

"Potemkin village" has also been used to describe the attempts of the government of the Soviet Union to fool foreign visitors. The government would take such visitors, who were often already sympathetic to socialism or Communism, to selected villages, factories, schools, stores, or neighborhoods and present them as if they were typical, rather than exceptional. Given the strict limitations on the movement of foreigners in the USSR, it was often impossible for these visitors to see any other examples.

Are those stats a joke? How can the Catholic Church have 0 congregations and 0 active participants? LMAO

[_ludwigm]

some statistic copied from cumorah.com

Are those stats a joke? How can the Catholic Church have 0 congregations and 0 active participants? LMAO

And the JUST ME said unto ludwigm, Where is from this jocose statistic of thy cumorah site? And he said, I know not: Am I every statistic's keeper?

[_Drifting]

and how many of them participated in the census?

even the census in the USA estimates that it misses about 2% of population (6.4 million) and counts some people more than once (up to 3.1 million)
and of this under-count it is noted that it occurs mostly among the poor (and minority)...hmm..wonder about the accuracy in the favelas ?
but i am sure whatever gnat you are straining here is well supported and critical to the LDS church at such a level that one can not help but be shocked out of membership.

So what you are contributing is that you disbelieve the official census information but implicitly believe President Newsroom.
not...

[_sansfoy]

and how many of them participated in the census?

even the census in the USA estimates that it misses about 2% of population (6.4 million) and counts some people more than once (up to 3.1 million)
and of this under-count it is noted that it occurs mostly among the poor (and minority)...hmm..wonder about the accuracy in the favelas ?
but i am sure whatever gnat you are straining here is well supported and critical to the LDS church at such a level that one can not help but be shocked out of membership.

So what you are contributing is that you disbelieve the official census information but implicitly believe President Newsroom.
not...

Unless Mormons participate in an active program to deceive the Brazilian census, then I suppose you could add a few thousand to that total. I'm pretty sure that the entire census counts as a valid statistical sample from which one can extrapolate the percentage of self-declared Mormons versus both the overall population and the number declared by the church itself.