jo1952 wrote:The Jews, however, were looking for a Messiah who would be a militaristic hero who would permanently free them from the subjection of being under the rule of any nation on the earth. Also, in Jesus' teachings we learn how the scribes and Pharisees had twisted Jewish doctrine to the point that they were teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. And so, they missed their day.....the day that fulfilled the thousands of years of prophetic preparation for the incarnation in the flesh of their Messiah which would be manifested to the Jews by Jesus' arrival in Jerusalem on the very day on which it had been prophesied.
SteelHead wrote:Which may or may not be true depending upon your view of the mathematical machinations required to show said fulfillment, and the historical authenticity of the Christ narrative.
What day and year was Jesus born? I forget....
The fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy was the day Jesus entered Jerusalem riding a donkey (a.k.a. Palm Sunday); not the day of Jesus' birth. As to calculating that exact day, I like what is offered in the book, "The Coming Prince", by Sir Robert Anderson, as the author is very thorough in providing Biblical support for his calculations. You can find a complete copy on-line at: http://philologos.org/__eb-tcp/
Blessings,
jo
But you have to know when he was born to know when he rode the donkey into town........ So when was he born? Oh yeah, no one really agrees.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
SteelHead wrote:But you have to know when he was born to know when he rode the donkey into town........ So when was he born? Oh yeah, no one really agrees.
SteelHead wrote:But you have to know when he was born to know when he rode the donkey into town........ So when was he born? Oh yeah, no one really agrees.
You can wallow in your ignorance if you wish to I can't stop you. But the prophecy of Dan 9 states that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (including the wall) to the Messiah was going to be 69 weeks of years. Prophetic years of 360 days. So from the decree to the day He rode in and announced Himself Messiah was 69 weeks of years. His birth date does not matter except He needed to be alive.
Frank it does matter as it effects validity of the fulfillment of the prophecy. If he was actually born in 2 ad then the calculation is off and the prophecy invalid.
Most scholars put Herod's death at 4 BC. Which would indicate that Jesus was born in 6 BC which throws your prophetic fulfillment right out the window.
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It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
SteelHead wrote: But you have to know when he was born to know when he rode the donkey into town........ So when was he born? Oh yeah, no one really agrees.
No, you don't need to know the day Jesus was born. Daniel's prophecy did not include the age Jesus would be when He rode on the donkey into the city of Jerusalem.
The prophecy works if Christ is born at 1 ad. If he is born at 6 bc the when he at 32 enters the city the date is 26 AD and the prophecy fails. We do not know the calendar year that he entered the city, but that he was 32 when he did so. There is slop in the Greogorian calendar, but leaving 0 at where it is now, most historians agree Herod died in 4 bc , though some argue for 1 bc. Either way means Christ was born before 1 ad and your prophecy fails as it needs to be fulfilled in 32 ad. It is not so hard a concept.
So while the day is not important, the year he was born is key.
Play enough with the prophecies of Daniel and mathematical machinations and you end up with all kinds of days for the 2nd coming, just like the JWs.
That has worked real well for them. Let me know how this works out for you.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
SteelHead wrote:The prophecy works if Christ is born at 1 ad. If he is born at 6 bc the when he at 32 enters the city the date is 26 AD and the prophecy fails. We do not know the calendar year that he entered the city, but that he was 32 when he did so. There is slop in the Greogorian calendar, but leaving 0 at where it is now, most historians agree Herod died in 4 bc , though some argue for 1 bc. Either way means Christ was born before 1 ad and your prophecy fails as it needs to be fulfilled in 32 ad. It is not so hard a concept.
So while the day is not important, the year he was born is key.
Play enough with the prophecies of Daniel and mathematical machinations and you end up with all kinds of days for the 2nd coming, just like the JWs.
That has worked real well for them. Let me know how this works out for you.
That's just silly. Jesus' birth date has nothing to do with it. You can't look backwards in order to fulfill Daniel's prophecy. You have to look forward from the time Daniel made the prophecy.
As for the day of Jesus' 2nd coming....no one knows the day; not even Jesus knew what day He would return---only His Father.
Apocalypse = Kabbalah = Revelation Greek Hebrew English
This is nonsense. Apocalypse is from the Greek apokalypsis which means "un-hidden" (alpha privative + kalyptein "to hide"). Kabbalah is Hebrew qabbalah meaning "received [tradition]," from qibbel "to receive"; in modern Arabic qabala still means "he received/accepted."
True esoteric knowledge is not something that you just make up on your own.
Why not? That's all religion is...
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SteelHead wrote:Frank it does matter as it effects validity of the fulfillment of the prophecy. If he was actually born in 2 ad then the calculation is off and the prophecy invalid.
Most scholars put Herod's death at 4 BC. Which would indicate that Jesus was born in 6 BC which throws your prophetic fulfillment right out the window.
Why are you making something so simple complex? Jesus went out of His way to prevent being called the Messiah by the people until the day He rode into Jerusalem, then He did not stop the people and actually fulfilled many prophecies on that day. As He went into the city He announced that the Jews had missed "their" day. Had they followed the prophecy they would have all been waiting for Him at the gates of the city. Sadly only a few did. Then because they had missed "their" day a judgment was laid on the Jews and the city. If you read the prophecy carefully it says "until Messiah the Prince", this is when He is announced not born. And there was a very special way He had to be announced.
Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
It is Jesus who declared the "day" so we would not mess up the interpretation of Daniel. But evidently some still did not get the message.