Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

[_Mittens]

teachings of Mormons not found in Book of Mormon, The Articles of Faith “ Mormon Creed” or Bible.

1. The plurality of Gods (Mormon Doctrine pp. 576, 577)
2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples (Mormon Doctrine pp. 72,73)
3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend (Mormon Doctrine pp. 117, 118)
4. Polygamy needed to become a God (Journal of Discourse, Vol. II p. 269)
5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin (Mormon Doctrine p. 109)
6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required (Mormon Doctrine p. 118)
7. We were all pre-existent spirits (Mormon Doctrine p. 589)
8. God has a body of flesh and bones (Mormon Doctrine p. 289)
9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)
10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine pp. 420, 421)
11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage (Celestial Marriage Manual p. 1)
12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 346)
13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 345)
14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. (Mormon Doctrine p. 322)
15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers (Mormon Doctrine p. 192)
16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven. (Mormon Doctrine p. 193)
17. God lives near a star called Kolob (Mormon Doctrine p. 428)
18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter (Mormon Doctrine pp. 619, 620)
19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together (History of the Church Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409)
20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom (Journal of Discourse Vol. 7 p.289)
21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional scriptures (Mormon Doctrine p. 83)"

[_gdemetz]

So what Mittens? What is your point? Some of those true teachings are not found in the Bible either? You already wrote what Bruce Mcconkie stated about "the fullness." I never liked that term anyway, and always felt like the anti's who Satan inspires to hunt for ways to attack the truth would try to capitalize on that statement. However, one should keep in mind that NO book has all the details of the gospel in it, although the Book of Mormon has a fullness of the basic plan of salvation which, if followed, will lead someone to the celestial kingdom! However, much temple work for these people will have to be done, and it will be done.

I have better things to do than read more tabloid articles, Drifting.

[_Drifting]

I have better things to do than read more tabloid articles, Drifting.

I knew you were chicken.
Read it and tell me what is in it that is factually incorrect.

[_jo1952]

Logically, this makes sense. Since Adam had received the fulness of the Gospel, he would probably have also known the Ten Commandments. Additionally, we know that Cain, Adam's son, was the first man who committed murder on our earth. If this had not broken a commandment, then Cain would not have been punished by God.

There is probably a great deal more that Adam knew. It is just that after the passage of time mankind began to forget about what their forefathers had taught. Perhaps when God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, that was the first time they had been written down; and by the finger of God no less!

Blessings,

jo

So is the fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormon?

Pearl Of Great Price
34 He said there was a a\book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;


Bruce mcConkie trying to explain.........
Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.
The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

Hello Mittens,

I'm not sure what the connection is between my response you have quoted above and your new question.

Yes, the fullness of the Gospel can be found in the Book of Mormon. I personally read and studied the Book of Mormon in order to determine for myself whether it did or did not before I would even consider joining the LDS Church.

If you are sincerely seeking the truth about whether or not the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the Gospel, you would read it yourself, rather than depending upon what others have to say. Certainly, then you would not be trying to provide what you perceive as being some type of evidence of conflict. You would be able to answer your own questions.

Meanwhile, here are the actual Scripture passages which you referred to. Did you read them before you created this post?

D&C 20:9 Which contains a record of a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also;

D&C 27:5 Behold, this is wisdom in me; wherefore, marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the earth, and with Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of my everlasting gospel, to whom I have committed the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim;

D&C 42:12 And again, the elders, priests and teachers of this church shall teach the principles of my gospel, which are in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, in the which is the fulness of the gospel.

D&C 135:3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. In the short space of twenty years, he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God, and has been the means of publishing it on two continents; has sent the fulness of the everlasting gospel, which it contained, to the four quarters of the earth; has brought forth the revelations and commandments which compose this book of Doctrine and Covenants, and many other wise documents and instructions for the benefit of the children of men; gathered many thousands of the Latter-day Saints, founded a great city, and left a fame and name that cannot be slain. He lived great, and he died great in the eyes of God and his people; and like most of the Lord’s anointed in ancient times, has sealed his mission and his works with his own blood; and so has his brother Hyrum. In life they were not divided, and in death they were not separated!

Do you know the actual history and circumstances of the book, "Mormon Doctrine"? I suspect that you are merely re-typing something you have obtained from an anti-LDS source document.

At some point in your journey of trying to return to God, you will discover ways to prepare yourself to receive more Truth rather than trying to destroy another person's faith in God. That is when the Holy Spirit will be able to increase your knowledge of the Kingdom of God.

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

Hello Mittens,

I'm not sure what the connection is between my response you have quoted above and your new question.

Yes, the fullness of the Gospel can be found in the Book of Mormon. I personally read and studied the Book of Mormon in order to determine for myself whether it did or did not before I would even consider joining the LDS Church.

Hmmm...so is the temple endowment not part of the fullness of the Gospel? Because I too have read the Book of Mormon and the only reference I can find about organisations with secret passwords and signs seems to suggest they are evil...

[_jo1952]

So what Mittens? What is your point? Some of those true teachings are not found in the Bible either? You already wrote what Bruce Mcconkie stated about "the fullness." I never liked that term anyway, and always felt like the anti's who Satan inspires to hunt for ways to attack the truth would try to capitalize on that statement. However, one should keep in mind that NO book has all the details of the gospel in it, although the Book of Mormon has a fullness of the basic plan of salvation which, if followed, will lead someone to the celestial kingdom! However, much temple work for these people will have to be done, and it will be done.

I have better things to do than read more tabloid articles, Drifting.

Hi GD,

Her point is that she would rather try to destroy another's faith in God, than spend time personally seeking for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to lead her to All Truth. Otherwise, she would realize she is going against what Jesus taught:

Luke 9:49-50 (KJV)

49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.

50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Perhaps it would be better if we did not continue responding to her. In fact, I think I will not post to her anymore.

Blessings,

jo

[_jo1952]

Hmmm...so is the temple endowment not part of the fullness of the Gospel? Because I too have read the Book of Mormon and the only reference I can find about organisations with secret passwords and signs seems to suggest they are evil...

Hi Drifting,

Are you confusing continuing revelation with the fulness of the Gospel revealed in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon? Or perhaps you are using a different definition of the fulness of the Gospel? Are you saying that the fulness of the Gospel should include All Truth? Jesus didn't reveal All Truth in the Bible or in the Book of Mormon. He only revealed what Father wanted Him to reveal; not everything that He knew.

Meh - the Kabbalah had secret higher spiritual teachings which were kept hidden from the general Jewish populace. It does not teach the ways of the Gadianton Robbers; neither do the LDS Temples.

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

Hmmm...so is the temple endowment not part of the fullness of the Gospel? Because I too have read the Book of Mormon and the only reference I can find about organisations with secret passwords and signs seems to suggest they are evil...

Hi Drifting,

Are you confusing continuing revelation with the fulness of the Gospel revealed in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon? Or perhaps you are using a different definition of the fulness of the Gospel? Are you saying that the fulness of the Gospel should include All Truth? Jesus didn't reveal All Truth in the Bible or in the Book of Mormon. He only revealed what Father wanted Him to reveal; not everything that He knew.

Meh - the Kabbalah had secret higher spiritual teachings which were kept hidden from the general Jewish populace. It does not teach the ways of the Gadianton Robbers; neither do the LDS Temples.

Blessings,

jo

Does the Book of Mormon contain the fulness of the Gospel or the fulness of the Gospel before more Gospel fulness was added? Because the Church seems to think it's the former and you seem to be saying its the latter.

Or does latter day continuing revelation not form part of the Gospel?

[_Albion]

I think we are getting somewhere.....admissions in this thread that Mormons have added doctrines and beliefs to the Bible.

[_Mittens]

No proof for Melchizedek Priesthood
It is claimed by the Mormon leaders that before the church was organized Peter, James, and John restored the Melchizedek Priesthood. Apostle LeGrand Richards admits that the exact date of this ordination is not known: "While we are a record-keeping people, as the Lord commanded, nevertheless our records are not complete.... we do not have the date that Peter, James and John conferred the Melchizedek Priesthood upon them" (Letter from LeGrand Richards, dated September 26, 1960).

"In the History of the Church, no account is given of the date when the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored." Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 3 page 95 Joseph Fielding Smith

The Doctrine and Covenants 27:12
is cited as proof that the Melchizedek Priesthood was conferred at a very early date: "And also with Peter, and James, and John, whom I have sent unto you, by whom I have ordained you and confirmed you to be apostles .... "

This verse, however, did not appear in the revelation when it was published in the Book of Commandments in 1833. It was added into the Doctrine and Covenants, and therefore cannot be cited as proof that the Melchizedek Priesthood was in the church at the time the revelation was given

Hyperlink is the Original section of 27 before 12 verses were added.

This hyperlink shows the two side by side


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