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[_LittleNipper]

[quote="Drifting] And yet again you avoid answering...
What is it that you're scared of?

God's wrath if you don't agree that you would do anything He commands of you?
God's wrath if you say you're not willing to do anything He asks of you?

You preach but you run away at the first difficult question.
Stand up for your beliefs or run away. But running away makes God angry...[/quote]

You ask me a hypothetical hard question concerning God and I ask you a genuine yet easy one. Where is your answer? A cop, may be asked of humans to do all sorts of life threatening things. A soldier again is asked to do things he may not want to do. Whatever God asks us to do is for our own growth/protection and certainly not for that of God's. God presently has given us HIS Word to read and follow. GOD doesn't show up and tell us what to do. GOD works through HIS Word the moving of Holy Spirit without contradictions.
So to answer your question, if we were back in Bible times and God asked me to do something face to face, I hope that I would carry out HIS command. So what is your answer? God has given you the Bible. What is the Holy Spirit moving you to believe? Is Christ God or is Christ a god? Does Christ save or does one save himself through knowledge and being so smart?

[_Drifting]

[quote="Drifting] And yet again you avoid answering...
What is it that you're scared of?

God's wrath if you don't agree that you would do anything He commands of you?
God's wrath if you say you're not willing to do anything He asks of you?

You preach but you run away at the first difficult question.
Stand up for your beliefs or run away. But running away makes God angry...[/quote]

You ask me a hypothetical hard question concerning God and I ask you a genuine yet easy one. Where is your answer? A cop, may be asked of humans to do all sorts of life threatening things. A soldier again is asked to do things he may not want to do. Whatever God asks us to do is for our own growth/protection and certainly not for that of God's. God presently has given us HIS Word to read and follow. GOD doesn't show up and tell us what to do. GOD works through HIS Word the moving of Holy Spirit without contradictions.
So to answer your question, if we were back in Bible times and God asked me to do something face to face, I hope that I would carry out HIS command. So what is your answer? God has given you the Bible. What is the Holy Spirit moving you to believe?[/quote]

Hallelujah!

Let me answer my hpothetical question first.
If God stood before me face to face and commanded me to kill non virginal women and children I would point blank refuse.

The Holy Spirit has moved me to believe that the Book of Mormon is nor what it claims to be and that the Bible is a collection of myths and legends and second hand tales that have been embelished by man for effect. The Holy Spirit has moved me to believe that I should utilise my brain and moral compass rather than taking the contents of the Bible to be literally Gods word on any given matter.

This is where you now tell me that I haven't been moved by the real Holy Spirit....

[_LittleNipper]

[quote="Drifting] And yet again you avoid answering...
What is it that you're scared of?

God's wrath if you don't agree that you would do anything He commands of you?
God's wrath if you say you're not willing to do anything He asks of you?

You preach but you run away at the first difficult question.
Stand up for your beliefs or run away. But running away makes God angry...[/quote]

You ask me a hypothetical hard question concerning God and I ask you a genuine yet easy one. Where is your answer? A cop, may be asked of humans to do all sorts of life threatening things. A soldier again is asked to do things he may not want to do. Whatever God asks us to do is for our own growth/protection and certainly not for that of God's. God presently has given us HIS Word to read and follow. GOD doesn't show up and tell us what to do. GOD works through HIS Word the moving of Holy Spirit without contradictions.
So to answer your question, if we were back in Bible times and God asked me to do something face to face, I hope that I would carry out HIS command. So what is your answer? God has given you the Bible. What is the Holy Spirit moving you to believe?[/quote][/quote]

Hallelujah!

Let me answer my hpothetical question first.
If God stood before me face to face and commanded me to kill non virginal women and children I would point blank refuse.

The Holy Spirit has moved me to believe that the Book of Mormon is nor what it claims to be and that the Bible is a collection of myths and legends and second hand tales that have been embelished by man for effect. The Holy Spirit has moved me to believe that I should utilise my brain and moral compass rather than taking the contents of the Bible to be literally Gods word on any given matter.

This is where you now tell me that I haven't been moved by the real Holy Spirit....[/quote][/quote][/quote]

The Holy Spirit has shown to me that the Book of Mormon and Mormonism contradicts what the Bible says. And that the Bible is God's Word revealed in Christ. You have said that you accept the Book of Mormon but at the expense of rejecting the Bible. You reject the Word. You apply your knowledge just as did Adam & Eve. They were wrong.

[_Drifting]

The Holy Spirit has shown to me that the Book of Mormon and Mormonism contradicts what the Bible says. And that the Bible is God's Word revealed in Christ. You have said that you accept the Book of Mormon but at the expense of rejecting the Bible. You reject the Word. You apply your knowledge just as did Adam & Eve. They were wrong.

Actually I said that I didn't believe the Book of Mormon was what it claimed to be.
(the word 'not' came out as 'nor' in error).

I predicted correctly that you would tell me the Holy Spirit that testified to me was the wrong 'Holy Spirit'.

[_LittleNipper]

The Holy Spirit has shown to me that the Book of Mormon and Mormonism contradicts what the Bible says. And that the Bible is God's Word revealed in Christ. You have said that you accept the Book of Mormon but at the expense of rejecting the Bible. You reject the Word. You apply your knowledge just as did Adam & Eve. They were wrong.

Actually I said that I didn't believe the Book of Mormon was what it claimed to be.
(the word 'not' came out as 'nor' in error).

I predicted correctly that you would tell me the Holy Spirit that testified to me was the wrong 'Holy Spirit'.

Actually, I didn't. I did say that the Holy Spirit showed to me that the Book of Mormon is contrary to the Bible. The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit told the prophets what to write down in the Bible and what not to include. You tell me the Holy Spirit tells you the Book of Mormon is correct and the Bible isn't. God doesn't lie or contradict Himself. Something clearly is wrong...

[Guest]

Genesis 23:1-20 So Sarah finally died at age 127 in Hebron. Abraham asks to bury the body of his wife among the Hittites. He is keen on a cave of Machpelah owned by Ephron the Hittite. Ephron wants to give it to Abraham; however, Abraham insists on paying for the cave. Ephron suggests 400 silver shekels for the cave and the land around the cave and the trees on the land.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And the life of Sarah is a hundred and twenty and seven years -- years of the life of Sarah;

2 and Sarah dieth in Kirjath-Arba, which [is] Hebron, in the land of Caanan, and Abraham goeth in to mourn for Sarah, and to bewail her.

3 And Abraham riseth up from the presence of his dead, and speaketh unto the sons of Heth, saying,

4 `A sojourner and a settler I [am] with you; give to me a possession of a burying-place with you, and I bury my dead from before me.'

5 And the sons of Heth answer Abraham, saying to him,

6 `Hear us, my lord; a prince of God [art] thou in our midst; in the choice of our burying-places bury thy dead: none of us his burying-place doth withhold from thee, from burying thy dead.'

7 And Abraham riseth and boweth himself to the people of the land, to the sons of Heth,

8 and he speaketh with them, saying, `If it is your desire to bury my dead from before me, hear me, and meet for me with Ephron, son of Zoar;

9 and he giveth to me the cave of Machpelah, which he hath, which [is] in the extremity of his field; for full money doth he give it to me, in your midst, for a possession of a burying-place.'

10 And Ephron is sitting in the midst of the sons of Heth, and Ephron the Hittite answereth Abraham in the ears of the sons of Heth, of all those entering the gate of his city, saying,

11 `Nay, my lord, hear me: the field I have given to thee, and the cave that [is] in it, to thee I have given it; before the eyes of the sons of my people I have given it to thee -- bury thy dead.'

12 And Abraham boweth himself before the people of the land,

13 and speaketh unto Ephron in the ears of the people of the land, saying, `Only -- if thou wouldst hear me -- I have given the money of the field -- accept from me, and I bury my dead there.'

14 And Ephron answereth Abraham, saying to him,

15 `My lord, hear me: the land -- four hundred shekels of silver; between me and thee, what [is] it? -- thy dead bury.'

16 And Abraham hearkeneth unto Ephron, and Abraham weigheth to Ephron the silver which he hath spoken of in the ears of the sons of Heth, four hundred silver shekels, passing with the merchant.

17 And established are the field of Ephron, which [is] in Machpelah, which [is] before Mamre, the field and the cave which [is] in it, and all the trees which [are] in the field, which [are] in all its border round about,

18 to Abraham by purchase, before the eyes of the sons of Heth, among all entering the gate of his city.

19 And after this hath Abraham buried Sarah his wife at the cave of the field of Machpelah before Mamre (which [is] Hebron), in the land of Canaan;

20 and established are the field, and the cave which [is] in it, to Abraham for a possession of a burying-place, from the sons of Heth.

[_gdemetz]

Albion, I already know all that! The false teaching of Evangelicals is that faith ALONE can save one, and that is definitely not what Christ taught!!!

[_LittleNipper]

Albion, I already know all that! The false teaching of Evangelicals is that faith ALONE can save one, and that is definitely not what Christ taught!!!

Sorry, you are wrong ----- it is Christ alone and God provides the faith. The person who goes to hell rejects all gifts from God and imagines it is something he does that is deserving of praise...

[_Albion]

Couple of points, gdemetz. Firstly, I condemn no one to hell. That is not my prerogative. If you know Christian theology why do you continually misstate it so blatantly? As I've said many times, it is your choice to believe or reject it but at least get it right when you characterize it.

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 24:1-34 So Abraham is a lot older And he wants to see his son married to a nice girl from the family. The servant is concerned that the girl may not wish to return with him. The servant asks if he can take Isaac to her and Abraham says no way. So the servant goes back to Aram-Naharaim, to the city of Nahor. This servant goes to the well outside the city and makes his camels kneel there. He then prays to God that the girl whom God wishes for Isaac will answer, "Drink and I'll also water your camels," when the servant asks the girl for a drink. Rebekah (who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, wife of Nahor the brother of Abraham) is the first one along. The servant asks for a drink and Rebekah says she will water his camels also. The servant gives the girl a gold ring and 2 bracelets and is floored to learn that this pretty young girl is related to Abraham. Rebekah brings the servant to her home. Rebekah has a brother named Laban. Laban runs out to meet the servant, gets the camels fed and tended to. And Laban sets food before Abraham's servant and those with him. The servant says that he will not eat until he explains everything. He begins by saying he is Abraham's servant...


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

24 And Abraham [is] old, he hath entered into days, and Jehovah hath blessed Abraham in all [things];

2 and Abraham saith unto his servant, the eldest of his house, who is ruling over all that he hath, `Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh,

3 and I cause thee to swear by Jehovah, God of the heavens, and God of the earth, that thou dost not take a wife for my son from the daughters of the Canaanite, in the midst of whom I am dwelling;

4 but unto my land and unto my kindred dost thou go, and hast taken a wife for my son, for Isaac.'

5 And the servant saith unto him, `It may be the woman is not willing to come after me unto this land; do I at all cause thy son to turn back unto the land from whence thou camest out?'

6 And Abraham saith unto him, `Take heed to thyself, lest thou cause my son to turn back thither;

7 Jehovah, God of the heavens, who hath taken me from the house of my father, and from the land of my birth, and who hath spoken to me, and who hath sworn to me, saying, To thy seed I give this land, He doth send His messenger before thee, and thou hast taken a wife for my son from thence;

8 and if the woman be not willing to come after thee, then thou hast been acquitted from this mine oath: only my son thou dost not cause to turn back thither.'

9 And the servant putteth his hand under the thigh of Abraham his lord, and sweareth to him concerning this matter.

10 And the servant taketh ten camels of the camels of his lord and goeth, also of all the goods of his lord in his hand, and he riseth, and goeth unto Aram-Naharaim, unto the city of Nahor;

11 and he causeth the camels to kneel at the outside of the city, at the well of water, at even-time, at the time of the coming out of the women who draw water.

12 And he saith, `Jehovah, God of my lord Abraham, cause to meet, I pray Thee, before me this day -- (and do kindness with my lord Abraham;

13 lo, I am standing by the fountain of water, and daughters of the men of the city are coming out to draw water;

14 and it hath been, the young person unto whom I say, Incline, I pray thee, thy pitcher, and I drink, and she hath said, Drink, and I water also thy camels) -- her Thou hast decided for Thy servant, for Isaac; and by it I know that Thou hast done kindness with my lord.'

15 And it cometh to pass, before he hath finished speaking, that lo, Rebekah (who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, wife of Nahor, brother of Abraham) is coming out, and her pitcher on her shoulder,

16 and the young person [is] of very good appearance, a virgin, and a man hath not known her; and she goeth down to the fountain, and filleth her pitcher, and cometh up.

17 And the servant runneth to meet her, and saith, `Let me swallow, I pray thee, a little water from thy pitcher;'

18 and she saith, `Drink, my lord;' and she hasteth, and letteth down her pitcher upon her hand, and giveth him drink.

19 And she finisheth giving him drink, and saith, `Also for thy camels I draw till they have finished drinking;'

20 and she hasteth, and emptieth her pitcher into the drinking-trough, and runneth again unto the well to draw, and draweth for all his camels.

21 And the man, wondering at her, remaineth silent, to know whether Jehovah hath made his way prosperous or not.

22 And it cometh to pass when the camels have finished drinking, that the man taketh a golden ring (whose weight [is] a bekah), and two bracelets for her hands (whose weight [is] ten [bekahs] of gold),

23 and saith, `Whose daughter [art] thou? declare to me, I pray thee, is the house of thy father a place for us to lodge in?'

24 And she saith unto him, `I [am] daughter of Bethuel, son of Milcah, whom she hath borne to Nahor.'

25 She saith also unto him, `Both straw and provender [are] abundant with us, also a place to lodge in.'

26 And the man boweth, and doth obeisance to Jehovah,

27 and saith, `Blessed [is] Jehovah, God of my lord Abraham, who hath not left off His kindness and His truth with my lord; -- I [being] in the way, Jehovah hath led me to the house of my lord's brethren.'

28 And the young person runneth, and declareth to the house of her mother according to these words.

29 And Rebekah hath a brother, and his name [is] Laban, and Laban runneth unto the man who [is] without, unto the fountain;

30 yea, it cometh to pass, when he seeth the ring, and the bracelets on the hands of his sister, and when he heareth the words of Rebekah his sister, saying, `Thus hath the man spoken unto me,' that he cometh in unto the man, and lo, he is standing by the camels by the fountain.

31 And he saith, `Come in, O blessed one of Jehovah, why standest thou without, and I -- I have prepared the house and place for the camels!'

32 And he bringeth in the man into the house, and looseth the camels, and giveth straw and provender for the camels, and water to wash his feet, and the feet of the men who [are] with him:

33 and setteth before him to eat; but he saith, `I do not eat till I have spoken my word;' and he saith, `Speak.'

34 And he saith, `I [am] Abraham's servant;