And of tenets thou shalt not talk

[_Tobin]

Evangelic message
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Mormon message

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not Baptised for the dead in Your name, Abstained from Coffee in Your name, and done many wonders like going on mission for two years in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Sounds like the most important thing Jesus taught was to have a relationship with Jesus, not of works

Bruce McConkie said the opposite


Our Relationship with the Lord
BRUCE R. MCCONKIE
Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth.
We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.
Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father.

http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843

So, you justify your attacks on Mormons because you disagree with BRM? Guess what? I disagree with BRM on many things too.

[_Mittens]

Our Relationship with the Lord
BRUCE R. MCCONKIE
Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth.
We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.
Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father.

http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843[/quote]

So, you justify your attacks on Mormons because you disagree with BRM? Guess what? I disagree with BRM on many things too.[/quote]

I disagree with every leader in Mormonism not just Bruce


"I think no more of taking another wife than I do of buying a cow." - Apostle Heber C. Kimball, The Twenty Seventh Wife, Irving Wallace, p. 101.

In the Journal of Wandle Mace the following is recorded: "Joseph told them to go to Kirtland, and cleanse and purify a certain room in the Temple, that they must kill a lamb and offer a sacrifice unto the Lord which should prepare them to ordain Willard Richards a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles" ("Journal of Wandle Mace," p. 32, microfilmed copy at Brigham Young University Library).

Joseph Fielding Smith said that "the law of sacrifice will have to be restored.... Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.94).


"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret... …I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us.... Here, then, is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you... (“King Follett Discourse,” Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-346, and History of the Church, vol. 6, 305-307

even the Book of Mormon says God is God from eternity

2 Nephi 26:12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;

[_Tobin]

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Try to stay on topic please. What in all your quote mining shows you have the right to attack other people's beliefs?

[_Mittens]

Tobin doesn't seem to like quotes from hi-ranking Mormon leaders, you would think he would welcome them

[_Tobin]

Tobin doesn't seem to like quotes from hi-ranking Mormon leaders, you would think he would welcome them

I don't particularly care what they have to say, especially when you are quoting a bunch of rubbish from disparate sources and not sticking to the point. What about Mormonism justifies your persecution of Mormons is what I'm asking? Stating that Mormon leaders have said things you don't agree with isn't very helpful. Mormon leaders have said things I don't agree with. So what?

[_Mittens]

Tobin doesn't seem to like quotes from hi-ranking Mormon leaders, you would think he would welcome them

I don't particularly care what they have to say, especially when you are quoting a bunch of rubbish from disparate sources and not sticking to the point. What about Mormonism justifies your persecution of Mormons is what I'm asking? Stating that Mormon leaders have said things you don't agree with isn't very helpful. Mormon leaders have said things I don't agree with. So what?

Tobin must not be Mormon since he's not in lock step with the Mormon leadership

[_Tobin]

Tobin must not be Mormon since he's not in lock step with the Mormon leadership

I appreciate your broad understanding of who and who is not a Mormon, but would you mind answering my question sometime in the near future?

[_Mittens]

Tobin must not be Mormon since he's not in lock step with the Mormon leadership

I appreciate your broad understanding of who and who is not a Mormon, but would you mind answering my question sometime in the near future?

I love answering Question, which one our you refering too, The Truth never is afraid of questions.

[_subgenius]

I love answering Question, which one our you refering too, The Truth never is afraid of questions.

i believe it was this one
"What about Mormonism justifies your persecution of Mormons"

[_Mittens]

I love answering Question, which one our you refering too, The Truth never is afraid of questions.

i believe it was this one
"What about Mormonism justifies your persecution of Mormons"

That's easy if that's the one

Jude 1
1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, £sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:
2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

I love contending for the faith which Mormonism attack