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[Guest]

Why Albion? I think you would just make excuses about them just like you do when I quote all the Biblical scriptures to you! You are like Nipper, you two just want to believe what you want to believe, and never mind what the evidence shows! If the Bible stated the turtles flew, then of course, you two would believe it, and if the Book of Mormon stated that turtles didn't fly, then you would try to argue that they did!

[_Quasimodo]

Why Albion? I think you would just make excuses about them just like you do when I quote all the Biblical scriptures to you! You are like Nipper, you two just want to believe what you want to believe, and never mind what the evidence shows! If the Bible stated the turtles flew, then of course, you two would believe it, and if the Boob of Mormon stated that turtles didn't fly, then you would try to argue that they did!

I suspect, gdemetz, that "Boob of Mormon" was just a typo. Very funny, never the less. Your comment was to Albion and Nipper. I tend to group you and Nipper in the same category. Big on devotion and little on substance.

[_Albion]

Oh go on, gdemetz, just a couple of credible sources to support the Book of Mormon.

[_gdemetz]

Quas, what have you had to offer here?!?

OK Albion,check out the Book by Jeff Lindsay entitled "Book of Mormon Evidences."

[_Albion]

Quoting a book title and author does not provide credible evidence. I was really expecting something more substantial...say, a supporting quote from a credible source like The Smithsonian. Ill look up Mr. Lindsay however.

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 26:1-35 We start with another famine in the land. Isaac goes to Abimelech king of the Philistines at Gerar. God appears unto him and says, do not go to Egypt, but stay in the land of Gerar. God is with Isaac, blesses him, and gives all these lands to Issac as God sworn to Abraham. Isaac fears (as had Abraham) that his beatiful wife will be the death of him. So he tells everyone that that they are brother and sister. Abimelech king of the Philistines looks through the window, and witnesses Isaac and Rebekah cavorting and realizes that they are husband and wife... Abimelech calls Isaac, and says had someone lain with Rebekah, the nation would be judged... Abimelech tells the people if anyone harms Isaac and Rebekah in anyway that person will die. And Isaac plants in that land, and reaps a hundredfold, and God blesses him. And Isaac is wealthy, and gets richer, until he hath large flocks, great herds, and an abundance of servants; and the Philistines envy him. They begin a campaign of filling in Abraham's historic wells. Abimeleck is worried that he will lose power and wants Isaac to leave. Isaac leaves and camps in the valley of Gerar, and lives there. Isaac has his servants redig the wells Abraham his father dug, which the Philistines filled after the death of Abraham, and named them what his father called them. And the other Shepherds of Gerar fought with shepherds of Isaac, and say, that they own the water, and a well is named`Strife,' because of all the fighting. And another well is dug and Isaac calls its name `Hatred.'
And he leaves there, and digs another well, and there is no fighting regarding this one, and it is named "Enlargements," for -- now God prospered them. And Isaac goes up to Beer-Sheba. God appears to him during that night, and says that the God of Abraham is with Isaac, and blesses him, and is multiply his seed, because of Abraham. And he builds an altar, and preaches in the name of the LORD, and set up his tent, and there Isaac's servants dig yet another well. And Abimelech goes to Gerar, along with Phichol the army commander. And Isaac asks why have they come and hate him --- they even sent him away.
They said that they witness Jehovah is good to Isaac and so they wish to make a covenant with him. They wish for peace. And Isaac throws a party. That next day Isaac's servants come and declare to him concerning the good circumstances surrounding a well which they had dug. And Isaac called it Shebah, [oath,] therefore the name of the city [is] Beer-Sheba, [well of the oath]. Esau at forty years, marries both Judith, daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath, daughter of Elon the Hittite. They cause a lot of tension for Isaac and to Rebekah. (It appears obvious that they are pagans)


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And there is a famine in the land, besides the first famine which was in the days of Abraham, and Isaac goeth unto Abimelech king of the Philistines, to Gerar.

2 And Jehovah appeareth unto him, and saith, `Go not down towards Egypt, tabernacle in the land concerning which I speak unto thee,

3 sojourn in this land, and I am with thee, and bless thee, for to thee and to thy seed I give all these lands, and I have established the oath which I have sworn to Abraham thy father;

4 and I have multiplied thy seed as stars of the heavens, and I have given to thy seed all these lands; and blessed themselves in thy seed have all nations of the earth;

5 because that Abraham hath hearkened to My voice, and keepeth My charge, My commands, My statutes, and My laws.'

6 And Isaac dwelleth in Gerar;

7 and men of the place ask him of his wife, and he saith, `She [is] my sister:' for he hath been afraid to say, `My wife -- lest the men of the place kill me for Rebekah, for she [is] of good appearance.'

8 And it cometh to pass, when the days have been prolonged to him there, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looketh through the window, and seeth, and lo, Isaac is playing with Rebekah his wife.

9 And Abimelech calleth for Isaac, and saith, `Lo, she [is] surely thy wife; and how hast thou said, She [is] my sister?' and Isaac saith unto him, `Because I said, Lest I die for her.'

10 And Abimelech saith, `What [is] this thou hast done to us? as a little thing one of the people had lain with thy wife, and thou hadst brought upon us guilt;'

11 and Abimelech commandeth all the people, saying, `He who cometh against this man or against his wife, dying doth die.'

12 And Isaac soweth in that land, and findeth in that year a hundredfold, and Jehovah blesseth him;

13 and the man is great, and goeth on, going on and becoming great, till that he hath been very great,

14 and he hath possession of a flock, and possession of a herd, and an abundant service; and the Philistines envy him,

15 and all the wells which his father's servants digged in the days of Abraham his father, the Philistines have stopped them, and fill them with dust.

16 And Abimelech saith unto Isaac, `Go from us; for thou hast become much mightier than we;'

17 and Isaac goeth from thence, and encampeth in the valley of Gerar, and dwelleth there;

18 and Isaac turneth back, and diggeth the wells of water which they digged in the days of Abraham his father, which the Philistines do stop after the death of Abraham, and he calleth to them names according to the names which his father called them.

19 And Isaac's servants dig in the valley, and find there a well of living water,

20 and shepherds of Gerar strive with shepherds of Isaac, saying, `The water [is] ours;' and he calleth the name of the well `Strife,' because they have striven habitually with him;

21 and they dig another well, and they strive also for it, and he calleth its name `Hatred.'

22 And he removeth from thence, and diggeth another well, and they have not striven for it, and he calleth its name Enlargements, and saith, `For -- now hath Jehovah given enlargement to us, and we have been fruitful in the land.'

23 And he goeth up from thence [to] Beer-Sheba,

24 and Jehovah appeareth unto him during that night, and saith, `I [am] the God of Abraham thy father, fear not, for I [am] with thee, and have blessed thee, and have multiplied thy seed, because of Abraham My servant;'

25 and he buildeth there an altar, and preacheth in the name of Jehovah, and stretcheth out there his tent, and there Isaac's servants dig a well.

26 And Abimelech hath gone unto him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath his friend, and Phichol head of his host;

27 and Isaac saith unto them, `Wherefore have ye come unto me, and ye have hated me, and ye send me away from you?'

28 And they say, `We have certainly seen that Jehovah hath been with thee, and we say, `Let there be, we pray thee, an oath between us, between us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee;

29 do not evil with us, as we have not touched thee, and as we have only done good with thee, and send thee away in peace; thou [art] now blessed of Jehovah.'

30 And he maketh for them a banquet, and they eat and drink,

31 and rise early in the morning, and swear one to another, and Isaac sendeth them away, and they go from him in peace.

32 And it cometh to pass during that day that Isaac's servants come and declare to him concerning the circumstances of the well which they have digged, and say to him, `We have found water;'

33 and he calleth it Shebah, [oath,] therefore the name of the city [is] Beer-Sheba, [well of the oath,] unto this day.

34 And Esau is a son of forty years, and he taketh a wife, Judith, daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath, daughter of Elon the Hittite,

35 and they are a bitterness of spirit to Isaac and to Rebekah.

[_gdemetz]

Nipper, why don't you just do an evangelical version of the Bible here for us? You would have to change a lot of verses though in order to make it agree with your doctrine.

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 27 So Isaac is an old man and going blind. He calls Esau and asks him to hunt him up something good to eat. Rebekah hears this and realizes that Isaac is about to give his blessing. Rebekah comes up with a plan. She will dress up Jacob in one of Esau's robes and binds some fur on the back of Jacobs hands and on the back of his neck. She also cooks up 2 baby goats and bakes bread. Jacob takes this to his father and though he still sounds like Jacob, the hair and the smell make Jacob think it is Esau. Isaac blesses him, that God give to him of heavenly refreshment, and the fatness of the land, and abundance of nourishment. People will serve him, he will have power over his relatives. Those who curse him are to be cursed, and those who bless him will be blessed. Jacob leaves.
Now in walks Esau. Isaac is beside himself, as Esau cries and begs for some sort of blessing. Isaac tells Esau that fatness of the earth is his home, and the nourishment from the heavens above. By his sword will he survive. Jacob, Esau will serve. And if Esau should rule that would be proof that what binds him to Jacob has ended. Esau now turns his upset into total hate for Jacob and plots to kill him once their father dies. Rebekah is totally aware of this and sends Jacob back home to her relatives. She realizes that she has lost both sons. Esau hates her for spoiling his plot and Jacob is gone away. She tells Isaac that she would be happy at least if Jacob finds a wife among the breathern and not a couple of pagans like that of Esau - or she would simply die.



Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And it cometh to pass that Isaac [is] aged, and his eyes are too dim for seeing, and he calleth Esau his elder son, and saith unto him, `My son;' and he saith unto him, `Here [am] I.'

2 And he saith, `Lo, I pray thee, I have become aged, I have not known the day of my death;

3 and now, take up, I pray thee, thy instruments, thy quiver, and thy bow, and go out to the field, and hunt for me provision,

4 and make for me tasteful things, [such] as I have loved, and bring in to me, and I do eat, so that my soul doth bless thee before I die.'

5 And Rebekah is hearkening while Isaac is speaking unto Esau his son; and Esau goeth to the field to hunt provision -- to bring in;

6 and Rebekah hath spoken unto Jacob her son, saying, `Lo, I have heard thy father speaking unto Esau thy brother, saying,

7 Bring for me provision, and make for me tasteful things, and I do eat, and bless thee before Jehovah before my death.

8 `And now, my son, hearken to my voice, to that which I am commanding thee:

9 Go, I pray thee, unto the flock, and take for me from thence two good kids of the goats, and I make them tasteful things for thy father, [such] as he hath loved;

10 and thou hast taken in to thy father, and he hath eaten, so that his soul doth bless thee before his death.

11 And Jacob saith unto Rebekah his mother, `Lo, Esau my brother [is] a hairy man, and I a smooth man,

12 it may be my father doth feel me, and I have been in his eyes as a deceiver, and have brought upon me disesteem, and not a blessing;'

13 and his mother saith to him, `On me thy disesteem, my son; only hearken to my voice, and go, take for me.'

14 And he goeth, and taketh, and bringeth to his mother, and his mother maketh tasteful things, [such] as his father hath loved;

15 and Rebekah taketh the desirable garments of Esau her elder son, which [are] with her in the house, and doth put on Jacob her younger son;

16 and the skins of the kids of the goats she hath put on his hands, and on the smooth of his neck,

17 and she giveth the tasteful things, and the bread which she hath made, into the hand of Jacob her son.

18 And he cometh in unto his father, and saith, `My father;' and he saith, `Here [am] I; who [art] thou, my son?'

19 And Jacob saith unto his father, `I [am] Esau thy first-born; I have done as thou hast spoken unto me; rise, I pray thee, sit, and eat of my provision, so that thy soul doth bless me.'

20 And Isaac saith unto his son, `What [is] this thou hast hasted to find, my son?' and he saith, `That which Jehovah thy God hath caused to come before me.'

21 And Isaac saith unto Jacob, `Come nigh, I pray thee, and I feel thee, my son, whether thou [art] he, my son Esau, or not.'

22 And Jacob cometh nigh unto Isaac his father, and he feeleth him, and saith, `The voice [is] the voice of Jacob, and the hands hands of Esau.'

23 And he hath not discerned him, for his hands have been hairy, as the hands of Esau his brother, and he blesseth him,

24 and saith, `Thou art he -- my son Esau?' and he saith, `I [am].'

25 And he saith, `Bring nigh to me, and I do eat of my son's provision, so that my soul doth bless thee;' and he bringeth nigh to him, and he eateth; and he bringeth to him wine, and he drinketh.

26 And Isaac his father saith to him, `Come nigh, I pray thee, and kiss me, my son;'

27 and he cometh nigh, and kisseth him, and he smelleth the fragrance of his garments, and blesseth him, and saith, `See, the fragrance of my son [is] as the fragrance of a field which Jehovah hath blessed;

28 and God doth give to thee of the dew of heaven, and of the fatness of the earth, and abundance of corn and wine;

29 peoples serve thee, and nations bow themselves to thee, be thou mighty over thy brethren, and the sons of thy mother bow themselves to thee; those who curse thee [are] cursed, and those who bless thee [are] blessed.'

30 And it cometh to pass, as Isaac hath finished blessing Jacob, and Jacob is only just going out from the presence of Isaac his father, that Esau his brother hath come in from his hunting;

31 and he also maketh tasteful things, and bringeth to his father, and saith to his father, `Let my father arise, and eat of his son's provision, so that thy soul doth bless me.'

32 And Isaac his father saith to him, `Who [art] thou?' and he saith, `I [am] thy son, thy first-born, Esau;'

33 and Isaac trembleth a very great trembling, and saith, `Who, now, [is] he who hath provided provision, and bringeth in to me, and I eat of all before thou comest in, and I bless him? -- yea, blessed is he.'

34 When Esau heareth the words of his father, then he crieth a very great and bitter cry, and saith to his father, `Bless me, me also, O my father;'

35 and he saith, `Thy brother hath come with subtilty, and taketh thy blessing.'

36 And he saith, `Is it because [one] called his name Jacob that he doth take me by the heel these two times? my birthright he hath taken; and lo, now, he hath taken my blessing;' he saith also, `Hast thou not kept back a blessing for me?'

37 And Isaac answereth and saith to Esau, `Lo, a mighty one have I set him over thee, and all his brethren have I given to him for servants, and [with] corn and wine have I sustained him; and for thee now, what shall I do, my son?'

38 And Esau saith unto his father, `One blessing hast thou my father? bless me, me also, O my father;' and Esau lifteth up his voice, and weepeth.

39 And Isaac his father answereth and saith unto him, `Lo, of the fatness of the earth is thy dwelling, and of the dew of the heavens from above;

40 and by thy sword dost thou live, and thy brother dost thou serve; and it hath come to pass when thou rulest, that thou hast broken his yoke from off thy neck.'

41 And Esau hateth Jacob, because of the blessing with which his father blessed him, and Esau saith in his heart, `The days of mourning [for] my father draw near, and I slay Jacob my brother.'

42 And the words of Esau her elder son are declared to Rebekah, and she sendeth and calleth for Jacob her younger son, and saith unto him, `Lo, Esau thy brother is comforting himself in regard to thee -- to slay thee;

43 and now, my son, hearken to my voice, and rise, flee for thyself unto Laban my brother, to Haran,

44 and thou hast dwelt with him some days, till thy brother's fury turn back,

45 till thy brother's anger turn back from thee, and he hath forgotten that which thou hast done to him, and I have sent and taken thee from thence; why am I bereaved even of you both the same day?'

46 And Rebekah saith unto Isaac, `I have been disgusted with my life because of the presence of the daughters of Heth; if Jacob take a wife of the daughters of Heth, like these -- from the daughters of the land -- why do I live?'

[_gdemetz]

You are very "different" Nipper!

[_Drifting]

*SPOILER ALERT*




Here's how it ends...
 

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 10 And the adevil that deceived them was bcast into the lake of cfire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the aearth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no bplace for them.

 12 And I saw the adead, small and great, bstand before God; and the cbooks were opened: and another book was opened, which is the dbook of life: and the dead were ejudged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their fworks.

 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and adeath and bhell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 14 And adeath and bhell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the csecond death.

 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

It seems the Devil did it...who knew...