And of tenets thou shalt not talk

[Guest]

Reference please as to where I said you could leave the board.

Whoa!!! It was Mittens who said that. Please accept my apology!! So sorry.

Christians are called to not only spread the Gospel but to give a reason for the hope they have in Christ. That is indeed a full time practice. Some do it as real missionaries, devoting their entire lives to service in foreign countries, most do as and where they are able. I reject completely that Mormon "missionaries" are preaching the Gospel news. They are preaching the Mormon gospel, something entirely different and I suspect the only reason they move on when they get restiance from believers is to find those people who don't know any different to swallow their falsehoods. Except for characterizing Mormonism as the falsehood that it is I have not said one single "derogatory" thing about about any poster on this board...unlike the countless number of personal insults that have bee directed at me by supposedly "worthy" Mormons.....dumb. stupid. dense, and liar being some of them. Reference, too, where I have called anyone "damned" ...that simply is not my judgement to make though it is my responsibility to warn of the dangers of rejecting Jesus' call to full salvation through faith in him. You are quite welcome to spend time on a Baptist web site...I am sure those Baptist Christians are quite capable or handling your posts without resorting to crying foul.

I have NOT seen you making the types of ad hom attacks which you have received.

I think where my error began was that you expanded upon what Mittens had said - at which time you did move the goal posts from where she had left them. Of course, you can also ignore the comments about the Baptists, because it is Mittens who is the Baptist; not you.

Meanwhile, you may not have directly said the words "you are damned"; however, your message is still the same as though you had used those words. To use your vernacular, like a wolf in sheep's clothing (and maybe you aren't even aware of this), you carefully choose your words so that you can ultimately claim you have not told me or other LDS that they are damned.

So, I would ask you, why then are you so concerned with trying to get me to give up the LDS Church if you are not worried about the eternal state of my soul? OTOH, when have I tried to convert you to the LDS Church?

You claim the Mormons teach a different Gospel. I claim they are teaching the Gospel which the Bible teaches. I also claim that you are not teaching the Gospel which the Bible teaches. I believe you are teaching the Gospel according to man. My claim comes from my experiences growing up in the Lutheran church which I have never believed taught the Gospel which the Bible teaches. However, when I found the LDS Church, I recognized that they DID teach the Gospel which the Bible teaches.

Ultimately, I have also stated that you (and Mittens as well) will be saved - regardless of which religious institution you hang your hat on. My beliefs do not exclude anyone from being saved. I also see you as my brother in Christ; just as I see Mittens as my sister in Christ. As I have also said to her, I don't think you can say the same about me; i.e., that you see me as your sister in Christ. Yet if you do not love me as much as you love yourself, then you cannot love God. So, do YOU love God, Albion?

The Mormon Church is among that group which scripture defines as ravening wolves set to decimate the flock... that you see it as some kind of angel of light not withstanding. I will not defend myself on this issue any longer and I make no apologies for upholding traditional Christianity to those who neither understand it nor accept it.

Oh Albion.....it is not only "Christians" (and I include the LDS in that category/under that heading) who will be saved. This idea of only Christians being saved is such a narrow and limited view of all that God is. I know AND understand very well what "traditional" Christianity is. I have never asked you to apologize for your beliefs; nor have I ever claimed the Mormon Church to be some kind of angel of light.

Blessings,

jo

[_Albion]

Jo, without getting into the same debate over, I accept your apology. My experience re the Biblical gospel is exactly the reverse.

[_LittleNipper]

I believe in Revelations we are told what will happen and to whom. What more is needed? Jesus never said one word to Herod.

Fascinating. So according to you, the Bible renders God unable to speak ever again.

I believe that what God wanted/needed to say to a sinful world, God has already stated perfectly through the Bible medium. What God will say in the future has no further need of being recorded because believers will see Christ face to face.

[_Tobin]

Fascinating. So according to you, the Bible renders God unable to speak ever again.

I believe that what God wanted/needed to say to a sinful world, God has already stated perfectly through the Bible medium. What God will say in the future has no further need of being recorded because believers will see Christ face to face.

Why? Is God going to banish pen and paper in the future or other recording medium?

And if God is going to speak to us yet again. What prevents God from speaking to us now? It would seem that IF God can speak (and the Bible doesn't magically preclude God from doing so), then there is nothing to prevent us from receiving scriptures today.

[_jo1952]

I believe that what God wanted/needed to say to a sinful world, God has already stated perfectly through the Bible medium. What God will say in the future has no further need of being recorded because believers will see Christ face to face.

Hello LittleNipper!

I came across something in the Old Testament yesterday which had not before made much of an impact on me. I feel it is appropriate to bring this to your attention at this time. This was written by Solomon. Being the wisest man who ever lived upon our earth (and indeed God had granted to Solomon the most wisdom of any man), and as a Prophet, Solomon would have known about the Plan of Salvation, and that Jesus would come in the flesh and become our Savior; In other words, Solomon knew the Gospel message as did the Prophets who lived both before and after him.

Proverbs 30:4-6 (KJV) (emphasis mine)

4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Just food for thought, as I think this passage, according to your belief system, should (if you were to honestly apply your beliefs here) dismiss anything else canonized in the Bible which appears after these words. Hopefully, therefore, you may reconsider your current stance.

Blessings,

jo

[_LittleNipper]

I believe that what God wanted/needed to say to a sinful world, God has already stated perfectly through the Bible medium. What God will say in the future has no further need of being recorded because believers will see Christ face to face.

Hello LittleNipper!

I came across something in the Old Testament yesterday which had not before made much of an impact on me. I feel it is appropriate to bring this to your attention at this time. This was written by Solomon. Being the wisest man who ever lived upon our earth (and indeed God had granted to Solomon the most wisdom of any man), and as a Prophet, Solomon would have known about the Plan of Salvation, and that Jesus would come in the flesh and become our Savior; In other words, Solomon knew the Gospel message as did the Prophets who lived both before and after him.

Proverbs 30:4-6 (KJV) (emphasis mine)

4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Just food for thought, as I think this passage, according to your belief system, should (if you were to honestly apply your beliefs here) dismiss anything else canonized in the Bible which appears after these words. Hopefully, therefore, you may reconsider your current stance.

Blessings,

jo

I am being honest when I state that what was said in the Old Testament was historic (when, where & why) and prophetic of things to come. That which was stated in the New Testament was historic (when, where & why) and prophetic. This all leads to the message of Salvation. It all points to Christ. What Jesus came to do is fininished. The Church is established. The additional prophetic message of the end times is not to be added to (sealed as it were). God already wrote His love letter and signed it. Now it is up to us to accept it or reject it.

[_jo1952]

I am being honest when I state that what was said in the Old Testament was historic (when, where & why) and prophetic of things to come. That which was stated in the New Testament was historic (when, where & why) and prophetic. This all leads to the message of Salvation. It all points to Christ. What Jesus came to do is fininished. The Church is established. The additional prophetic message of the end times is not to be added to (sealed as it were). God already wrote His love letter and signed it. Now it is up to us to accept it or reject it.

Hi LittleNipper!

Yes, I know you are being honest. I see no deceit in your postings. (Alas, I am unable to say the same thing for all posters.)

Inasmuch as I disagree with your conclusion, I do understand why you have come to your particular conclusion. The reason I just keep sharing what I believe and why I believe the way I do, is not only for the poster I am responding to. I do hope, though, that whoever I am responding to may someday remember the seed that was planted. My posts are shared to everyone who may happen to come across and read them. I do not doubt that this is your desire as well.

You are kind and patient in your posts; it is clear to me that you are trying to show God that you love Him, and are doing your best to share Him with others. Also, it is clear that you are trying to keep the two great commandments. I look forward to meeting your sweet spirit in Heaven.

Peace and many blessings to you on your journey!!

jo