Did we have a pre-premortal existence?

[_Mittens]

Mittens,

To explain a simple truth you turn to man. How sad. Jesus is the way and the light. But not Jesus the idea. The Jesus I refer to is alive and I talk to Him all of the time. He guides my life. That is why I don't trust man. A measure of just how much you love Christ is how much you love your fellow man. A further measure is how much you judge others.

I do turn to a man ,


1 Timothy 2

King James Version (KJV)


2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[_Franktalk]

I do turn to a man ,

1 Timothy 2
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Yet you post this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrLzYw6ULYw

Which is it? What you say or what scripture says?

[_gdemetz]

Frank, they go by what their pastors say, and they claim that that is Biblical, but nothing could hardly be further from the truth!

[_Mittens]

I do turn to a man ,

1 Timothy 2
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Yet you post this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrLzYw6ULYw

Which is it? What you say or what scripture says?

1 Timothy 2:5


5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

[_Mittens]

Eternal Progression for Dummys

http://bibtruth.com/preex.html


THE Bible DISPROVES THE LDS DOCTRINE OF PRE-EXISTENCE

Nowhere does the Bible teach that we had a pre-existence. And the following scriptures actually disprove this false LDS doctrine:
And he [Jesus] said unto them, Ye are from beneath [the earth]; I am from above [heaven]: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. (John 8:23, KJV)

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man [Adam] is of the earth, earthy: the second man [Jesus] is the Lord from heaven. (1 Corinthians 15:45-47, KJV)

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth. (John 3:31, KJV)

..... The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. (Zechariah 12:1, KJV)

[_gdemetz]

You are wrong again Mittens, [deleted]! You apparently have never read Jeremiah 1:5, Job 38:4,7, and Ecclesiastes 12:7. If you did, then either you didn't understand them or you were influenced by [deleted] evangelical doctrine! If We are the offspring of God, and He is the Father of our spirits as the New Testament teaches, then the only time which that could have happened was the preexistence! We are certainly not the offspring of God in our mortal state!

[_Franktalk]

I wonder how some explain these verses.

Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

Our spirit witnessed the creation.

1Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.

1Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

The soul came into him again? So the soul was not created with the body. As the soul was removed from the dead body the prophet is asking that it return. In a similar way the soul which existed separately from the body was placed into the body when the body was first made.

Job 33:22 Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.
Job 33:23 If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to show unto man his uprightness:
Job 33:24 Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.
Job 33:25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:
Job 33:26 He shall pray unto God, and he will be favorable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness.
Job 33:27 He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
Job 33:28 He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.
Job 33:29 Lo, all these things worketh God oftentimes with man,
Job 33:30 To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living.

The above speaks of reincarnation.

[_jo1952]

I wonder how some explain these verses.

Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

Our spirit witnessed the creation.

Hi Frank,

That verse also indicates the earth has had more than one foundation!!

Here is the Septuagint's version of that same verse:

40:21 Will ye not know? will ye not hear? has it not been told you of old? Have ye not known the foundations of the earth?

Blessings,

jo

[_Drifting]

You are wrong again Mittens, [deleted]! You apparently have never read Jeremiah 1:5, Job 38:4,7, and Ecclesiastes 12:7. If you did, then either you didn't understand them or you were influenced by [deleted] evangelical doctrine! If We are the offspring of God, and He is the Father of our spirits as the New Testament teaches, then the only time which that could have happened was the preexistence! We are certainly not the offspring of God in our mortal state!

Well...except our literal brother...Jesus...

[_ludwigm]

Our spirit witnessed the creation.

Hi Frank,

That verse also indicates the earth has had more than one foundation!!

Here is the Septuagint's version of that same verse:

40:21 Will ye not know? will ye not hear? has it not been told you of old? Have ye not known the foundations of the earth?

Blessings,

jo

The earth has had more than one foundation, not only turtles, there are:



1. buffaloes

2. Elephants

3. Others