No proof for Melchizedek Priesthood for LDS

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Re: No proof for Melchizedek Priesthood for LDS

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Albion wrote:So, in your view does the Mormon Church have the Melchizedec priesthood?


Again, Churches do not have God's priesthood. Men might, but that should be plainly obvious in that case. Otherwise, I would state they do not.
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Tobin wrote:
Drifting wrote:So, a doctor has God's authority?
Dynamo has God's authority?
Damn builders have God's authority?

In a sense, when we use natural laws, we do things similar to God. But doctors can't cure all disease. I'd love to see you use a Dynamo in rough seas, and we don't have the technology and resources to damn a sea. God's authority (or power) is superior to anything else.


I meant Dynamo The Magician. Check him out on YouTube, especially the one where he walks on the Thames. (he is actually a brilliant magician, he will blow your mind).

So nobody on earth has Gods authority.
Got it.
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Drifting wrote:So nobody on earth has Gods authority.
Got it.
I don't know that, and neither do you. However, if someone does have that authority, it is a rare (and maybe unique) thing.
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Tobin wrote:
Drifting wrote:So nobody on earth has Gods authority.
Got it.
I don't know that, and neither do you. However, if someone does have that authority, it is a rare (and maybe unique) thing.


Let me rephrase, there is nobody I know nor any organization that I have come across, that has demonstrated the supernatural abilities that you claim are needed to demonstrate ownership of Gods authority.
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Drifting wrote:Let me rephrase, there is nobody I know nor any organization that I have come across, that has demonstrated the supernatural abilities that you claim are needed to demonstrate ownership of Gods authority.
Well, you now know what to look for when someone says they have God's authority. When Mormon "priesthood" holders make the claim the have the authority of God to do such and such, I say - "Oh really?!?" Let's see you demonstrate that is true.
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Tobin wrote:
Drifting wrote:Let me rephrase, there is nobody I know nor any organization that I have come across, that has demonstrated the supernatural abilities that you claim are needed to demonstrate ownership of Gods authority.
Well, you now know what to look for when someone says they have God's authority. When Mormon "priesthood" holders make the claim the have the authority of God to do such and such, I say - "Oh really?!?" Let's see you demonstrate that is true.


I bet you're a laugh in EQ or Gospel Doctrine class!

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Drifting wrote:
Tobin wrote:Uh, Mittens - what are you driving at exactly?

First, a church is merely an association of members. Joe Smith or Joe Blow and form a church at any time they want, with or without God's authority.

And second, if someone has God's priesthood (or authority), then it will be clearly manifested. Otherwise, they don't got it no matter what they claim or when they claimed to have received it.


Are you saying the Mormon Church doesn't have Gods authority?




Evangelics our members of the Royal Priesthood available to all races and genders, not like the Mormon conterfeit which wasn't available to Cain's race until 1989 or Women who still can't have it.
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Mitten wrote:Evangelics our members of the Royal Priesthood available to all races and genders, not like the Mormon conterfeit which wasn't available to Cain's race until 1989 or Women who still can't have it.
Oh huh. Another baseless claim that someone else has God's authority. These claims are a dime a dozen.
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Tobin wrote:
Mitten wrote:Evangelics our members of the Royal Priesthood available to all races and genders, not like the Mormon conterfeit which wasn't available to Cain's race until 1989 or Women who still can't have it.
Oh huh. Another baseless claim that someone else has God's authority. These claims are a dime a dozen.


How is Mittens claim any weaker than the one you are making?
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Tobin, since your didn't answer my question I will rephrase my question: Do you believe the Mechizedec priesthood is extant within the Mormon Church either by men or by the church as an entity?
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