The Bottom Line

[_Tobin]

Wow, you really don't know.
I thought you were just being coy, or were embarassed by the answer.
But you really have no way of articulating how an individual can tell if God is communicating with them or if it is some other source.

Fair enough.

Again, the claim is that we can't tell the difference between good and evil. That is rubbish. It is complete and utter non-sense. There is no other way to articulate that.

[_Drifting]

Wow, you really don't know.
I thought you were just being coy, or were embarassed by the answer.
But you really have no way of articulating how an individual can tell if God is communicating with them or if it is some other source.

Fair enough.

Again, the claim is that we can't tell the difference between good and evil. That is rubbish. It is complete and utter non-sense. There is no other way to articulate that.

You need to stop changing the claim into something you think you can defend.

How, specifically can you tell that Gid is communicating with you and not some other being or thing or force?

Still no answer...

[_Tobin]

You need to stop changing the claim into something you think you can defend.

How, specifically can you tell that Gid is communicating with you and not some other being or thing or force?

Still no answer...

Because I can tell the difference between good and evil. And I'm just fashioning the argument into what is REALLY being talked about. Which is non-sense.

[_Drifting]

You need to stop changing the claim into something you think you can defend.

How, specifically can you tell that Gid is communicating with you and not some other being or thing or force?

Still no answer...

Because I can tell the difference between good and evil. And I'm just fashioning the argument into what is REALLY being talked about. Which is non-sense.

How do you tell the difference between good and evil?

[_malkie]

No, the claim is as I've specified - simpy, clearly and explicitly.

Still no answer...

And again, the answer is - the claim is STUPID!!!!

Wow, you really don't know.
I thought you were just being coy, or were embarassed by the answer.
But you really have no way of articulating how an individual can tell if God is communicating with them or if it is some other source.

Fair enough.

To be fair, I'm also saying that, unless you define god's acts and commands etc. as good, or you privilege your own view, I think you still have a problem with which entity is good and which is evil.

Was it good for the ancient Israelites to butcher the various people they came across in their wanderings?

The religious answer seems to be: if God commanded it, it was good; if not, it was evil.

I find that answer unsatisfying, quite apart from the fact that it brings us back to the question of determining if it is really god who is commanding. Of course, I'm not a philosopher, nor do I play one on TV (;=)

[_Tobin]

How do you tell the difference between good and evil?

How do you know when you've seen pornography? I just know it when I see it. The same is true of good and evil, we just know it when we see it.

[_Drifting]

How do you tell the difference between good and evil?

How do you know when you've seen pornography? I just know it when I see it. The same is true of good and evil, we just know it when we see it.

But how do you 'just know'?
One mans pornography is another mans art.

[_Tobin]

To be fair, I'm also saying that, unless you define god's acts and commands etc. as good, or you privilege your own view, I think you still have a problem with which entity is good and which is evil.

Was it good for the ancient Israelites to butcher the various people they came across in their wanderings?

The religious answer seems to be: if God commanded it, it was good; if not, it was evil.

I find that answer unsatisfying, quite apart from the fact that it brings us back to the question of determining if it is really god who is commanding. Of course, I'm not a philosopher, nor do I play one on TV (;=)

So all murder is evil? How about in self-defense malkie?

Again, the claim is we can't tell the difference so all murder is the same right? Now is murder evil or good? And if we can't tell the difference, how can God hold us accountable for our actions.

Like I said, the whole argument is absurd.

[_Tobin]

How do you know when you've seen pornography? I just know it when I see it. The same is true of good and evil, we just know it when we see it.

But how do you 'just know'?
One mans pornography is another mans art.

It must be an innate part of our nature. Just like taste, smell, sight and so on.

[_Drifting]

It must be an innate part of our nature. Just like taste, smell, sight and so on.

So when people do evil things that's just an innate part of our nature?

Let me pose a dilemma for you.

The men who flew planes into the Workd Trade Centre innately believed they were doing good. I'm guessing that you innately believe what they did was evil.