Tobin wrote: No Themis, you are pretending that spewing a bunch of non-sense character-by-character is a valid way to debate and discuss things. It is not. It is only spew and is a complete waste of time.
It is valid, you just don't want to deal with the what you actually say. Don't blame others for your own garbage. You made a number of things not thought out and I responded to them as best I could. Deal with it.
You aren't saying anything. You are spewing. When you want to make a point, please do so.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
malkie wrote:And for Tobin. You say: "You can choose to seek and speak with God now and have that blessing in your life." The evidence is very much against you here. Many people have sought God and have not been able to speak to him, so it's clearly not a matter of the choice of the seeker.
Obviously not, it is between you and God. But part of the blessing is doing what is right and seeking God and getting to know God before seeing and speaking with him. You seem to feel the journey isn't part of it and are in a hurry to get to the destination.
Am I (and others) completely mistaken in thinking that you have told us quite clearly that this is not what you were doing. Nor, I believe, is it what Paul of New Testament fame was doing. If anything, assuming that you and others really did speak to God (and there is still no credible evidence for that), is shows that your God is rather capricious. There seems to be zero relationship between the honest seeking and the finding.
And I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere, in your terms - based on a complete lack of evidence for it, I don't believe that the destination you talk about exists.
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Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
Wow Drifting. Have you ever used something called the internet before? It has this interesting website called Google. You can look for things with it. You can for instance look for "have you seen God" and get over 254 million hits. Amazing. You should really try it sometime.
Here is a quote from one of the God seers on the link you provided in support of your claim of seeing God...
I had an exorcism, and to make a long story short some time afterward I ended up at throne of God, I didn't see His face but I saw His feet which was dark brown and wide, and His hair was black, long with deep waves. For some odd reason I just couldn't see His face. I could never deny Him, Jesus or the Holy Spirit because on God's right hand side was Jesus standing and He was very meek and thin, the Holy Spirit I couldn't see on the left hand side of God but I could sense It. I have never seen things in my life, only a demon right before my visit to see God. I was in the spirit realm that's how I saw all of this.
So, given that you also saw God, can you confirm His feet were dark brown and wide and that His hair was black and wavy?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
malkie wrote:Am I (and others) completely mistaken in thinking that you have told us quite clearly that this is not what you were doing. Nor, I believe, is it what Paul of New Testament fame was doing. If anything, assuming that you and others really did speak to God (and there is still no credible evidence for that), is shows that your God is rather capricious. There seems to be zero relationship between the honest seeking and the finding.
And I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere, in your terms - based on a complete lack of evidence for it, I don't believe that the destination you talk about exists.
The honest seeker has faith, follows seeks, and does what the Lord says and has no problem with doing so. If you aren't doing that, I don't believe you are an honest seeker of the Lord.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:The honest seeker has faith, follows seeks, and does what the Lord says and has no problem with doing so. If you aren't doing that, I don't believe you are an honest seeker of the Lord.
You didn't.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote:So, given that you also saw God, can you confirm His feet were dark brown and wide and that His hair was black and wavy?
You asked for a CFR. Apparently people do have these experiences. So, why don't you also do so and make your own determination Drifting?!? Unless you don't believe it is true which is what your real problem is.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
malkie wrote:Am I (and others) completely mistaken in thinking that you have told us quite clearly that this is not what you were doing. Nor, I believe, is it what Paul of New Testament fame was doing. If anything, assuming that you and others really did speak to God (and there is still no credible evidence for that), is shows that your God is rather capricious. There seems to be zero relationship between the honest seeking and the finding.
And I'm not in a hurry to get anywhere, in your terms - based on a complete lack of evidence for it, I don't believe that the destination you talk about exists.
The honest seeker has faith, follows seeks, and does what the Lord says and has no problem with doing so. If you aren't doing that, I don't believe you are an honest seeker of the Lord.
Perhaps you're not reading what I've written. I don't claim that I am presently an honest seeker.
Any response to the first paragraph?
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Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
Tobin wrote:The honest seeker has faith, follows seeks, and does what the Lord says and has no problem with doing so. If you aren't doing that, I don't believe you are an honest seeker of the Lord.
You didn't.
And I'm not seeking God. I know there is a God.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
It is noticeable that there hasn't been a single defender of the faith that has come on the thread with a credible rebuttal of the OP's premise.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
malkie wrote:Am I (and others) completely mistaken in thinking that you have told us quite clearly that this is not what you were doing. Nor, I believe, is it what Paul of New Testament fame was doing. If anything, assuming that you and others really did speak to God (and there is still no credible evidence for that), is shows that your God is rather capricious. There seems to be zero relationship between the honest seeking and the finding.
Any response to the first paragraph?
There is no response to the first paragraph. It supposes that honest seekers aren't answered by God. I don't believe that is true to begin with. You either are seeking God, have found God, or aren't looking. If you aren't looking, God may choose to visit you like he did Paul or myself. Then you aren't seeking God either. You know there is a God.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom