gdemetz wrote:The moderators keep deleting my post every time I try to post here for some unknown reason so I will just also post a new topic to answer it!
[MODERATOR NOTE: No, your posts were not deleted. I just forgot to check the queue until now. Sorry about that.]
Anyhow, the day means one day. Christ went to the spirit paradise to organize the gospel being preached to the dead on the day He died and, of course, the thief went with him. After Christ's resurrection, He told Mary Magdeline not to touch Him since He had not yet ascended to His Father in heaven, which clearly shows that this spirit paradise was (is) not heaven!
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gdemetz wrote:I will try reposting once again for the third time! Actually, it means one day. The scriptures state that Christ went to the spirit paradise to organize the gospel being preached to the dead. After He was resurrected, He told Mary Magdeline not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended to His Father in heaven. This clearly shows that this spirit paradise was not heaven!
No, it shows it's not in the Celestial Kingdom part of heaven. You cannot rule out the Terrestial and Telestial because God doesn't live in those.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
gdemetz wrote:Drifting, I answered that already. The scripture in Matthew I cited clearly states that it was i only one thief that mocked Christ, and the other thief admonished him for that. Also, there was another excuse made here. However, when Christ stated to the thief this day thou shalt be with me in paradise, He meant this day, today! After His spirit left His body, He went to the spirit paradise and organized the gospel to be preached to the dead! If you will notice, following His resurrection He told Mary Magdeline not to touch Him AS HE HAD NOT YET ASCENDED TO HIS FATHER!
So you believe the account in Luke but not the accounts in Mathew and Mark?
It is my understanding that Luke, written much later and by an unidentified author, used the record we know as 'Mark' as his source material which he then subsequently embellished.
In other words, it's a third hand account by an anonymous author with an agenda that doesn't concur with the earlier accounts.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote:So you believe the account in Luke but not the accounts in Mathew and Mark?
It is my understanding that Luke, written much later and by an unidentified author, used the record we know as 'Mark' as his source material which he then subsequently embellished.
In other words, it's a third hand account by an anonymous author with an agenda that doesn't concur with the earlier accounts.
Drift, even i think you are grasping at this point...perhaps it would be best to live to fight another day? The other accounts are basically silent on the matter...that does not mean they do not "concur". I do not think you can turn them on each other in the manner which you desire, it would be reasonable to assume Luke was simply "more accurate", and thus your argument fails.
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subgenius wrote:Drift, even i think you are grasping at this point...perhaps it would be best to live to fight another day? The other accounts are basically silent on the matter...that does not mean they do not "concur". I do not think you can turn them on each other in the manner which you desire, it would be reasonable to assume Luke was simply "more accurate", and thus your argument fails.
I take your point. But given the dating of the accounts, Mark is likely to be the most accurate with Luke being the least reliable.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
gdemetz wrote:There is no real contradiction in those accounts, and those other kingdoms are for resurrected beings. We are talking about the spirit world here.
You can't trust what it says in the Bible, Joseph Smith taught you that.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
That only applies in a small percentage of scriptures where a copying or translation problem occurred, for example, the accounts concerning Paul's vision of Christ.
gdemetz wrote:That only applies in a small percentage of scriptures where a copying or translation problem occurred, for example, the accounts concerning Paul's vision of Christ.
Compared to Mormon s0-called scripture the Bible is 100% pure
example of change in LDS so-called scripture for doctrinal reasons below .
I looked at that Mittens, so why don't you try and name one thing from that reference that was changed merely to not contradict doctrinal issues as you imply!
