Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

[_LittleNipper]

Are you suggesting that Aboriginies could not be connected to whites by only 4500 years...

I'm not suggesting that they couldn't be. I'm suggesting that the evidence shows that they almost certainly were not.

Please, I thought all that racial superiority bias ended years ago.

Oh the irony. I say that the Aborigines migrated to Australia in the 40,000 - 50,000 year ago timeframe and I'm being racist, but you assume that Aborigines must have descended from whites?

Why from whites? What evidence have you got that Aborigines descended from whites?

Oh, I know. It's because only white people got off the Ark after the flood. So everyone on Earth has to come from whites in one way or another. Unless you believe that equally absurd and offensive doctrine of the Mormons that Noah's son was married to "Egyptus", a black woman, and thus preserved "the curse" through the Flood.

Or else maybe you just mean that white is the standard, original, default race, and all other races are derivations or, dare I say it, subclasses from that.

Seriously dude, that's some cojones you have trying to play the race card on me in this conversation.

The Aboriginies have oral histories. The Egyptians thought that the Pharoah was a God through linage and that the Egyptians never lost a battle... Of course the Egyptians had the nasty habit of desecrating all the statues and inscriptions of predecessors that suggested otherwise...

Utterly and totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

The evidence, the evidence ------- what evidence? Where is the great civilization of the Aboriginies? Actually, Noah and his family likely were brown and the races spread apart from that. You mean to tell me that the Aboriginies were living apart from everyone else for 40,000 years and have nothing to show for it? The Egyptians had only a few thousand years and were building pyramids and great cities. and developed writing and paper and art... So, do you imaginge some people are inferior to others and would waste 40,000 years just living? You see, I can play your little game also. I have the Bible. You have NOTHING to support your logic. Only the belief that there can be no God, so things had to develope somehow differently...

[_LittleNipper]

all right since I stopped laughing let's break down the "trained animal" conundrum. Add four more elephants (who need 7-8% of the total area of the Ark for their food alone) and pair up another 10(?) apes/monkeys. So we have 22 workers to feed and water 16000 animals.

16000 / 22 = 727 animals per laborer
727 / 1440 minutes = 2 minutes to feed and water the animals (ignoring that many animals require food and water several times a day). I think I got it. The only question is:

So how long until the animal laborers form a union for better work conditions?

It is some people, that allow a workforce to remain reading, watching TV and eating; as they sit behind bars. The idea that men in prision should be put to hard labor and made to accomplish something besides wasting taxpayers' money (about 40,000 dollars per inmate a year) likely sounds silly --- to you, also. You make fun of the idea of 8 people taking care of a lot of animals. And when someone (very average) imagines that Noah and his family likely also used some of the animals to accomplish their tasks, you see it as stupid and totally silly. Maybe, I'm reading you wrong. If I am, I do apologize; however, something tells me that some lack imagination --------- likely do to an eduation that doesn't tend to instill any.

[Guest]

Nipper, what is an eduation?
And with a nod to shade's proper English thread it should be "due to". Where did you get "eduamidated" again?

Anyway.... I'm going to get some popcorn and wait for the replies to roll in to your last 2 posts.

[_Bond James Bond]

The evidence, the evidence ------- what evidence? Where is the great civilization of the Aboriginies? Actually, Noah and his family likely were brown and the races spread apart from that. You mean to tell me that the Aboriginies were living apart from everyone else for 40,000 years and have nothing to show for it? The Egyptians had only a few thousand years and were building pyramids and great cities. and developed writing and paper and art... So, do you imaginge some people are inferior to others and would waste 40,000 years just living? You see, I can play your little game also. I have the Bible. You have NOTHING to support your logic. Only the belief that there can be no God, so things had to develope somehow differently...

I don't think anyone would ever claim the Aborigines of Australia were a "great civilization" on par with the Egyptians. You're just engaging in absurd comparison of apples and oranges between a primative hunter-gather civilization (on the driest continent on Earth) and one of the great agrarian civilizations of history (which was based around one of the best rivers for farming on Earth). However if you want a partial list of aborigine archaeological sites, have a link:

http://austhrutime.com/australian_archa ... _sites.htm

[_Bond James Bond]

all right since I stopped laughing let's break down the "trained animal" conundrum. Add four more elephants (who need 7-8% of the total area of the Ark for their food alone) and pair up another 10(?) apes/monkeys. So we have 22 workers to feed and water 16000 animals.

16000 / 22 = 727 animals per laborer
727 / 1440 minutes = 2 minutes to feed and water the animals (ignoring that many animals require food and water several times a day). I think I got it. The only question is:

So how long until the animal laborers form a union for better work conditions?

It is some people, that allow a workforce to remain reading, watching TV and eating; as they sit behind bars. The idea that men in prision should be put to hard labor and made to accomplish something besides wasting taxpayers' money (about 40,000 dollars per inmate a year) likely sounds silly --- to you, also. You make fun of the idea of 8 people taking care of a lot of animals. And when someone (very average) imagines that Noah and his family likely also used some of the animals to accomplish their tasks, you see it as stupid and totally silly. Maybe, I'm reading you wrong. If I am, I do apologize; however, something tells me that some lack imagination --------- likely do to an eduation that doesn't tend to instill any.

So you're comparing the hypothetical trained monkeys on the Ark to criminals sitting around reading? Dude, monkeys can't read although you seem to make a concerted effort. Also on the Ark they didn't have TV although I haven't read Genesis in a while.

Anyway have you ever had a pet? Imagine feeding and watering your pet all day consistently without sleep or rest. My calculations above did not account for sleep. Let's account for sleep:

(16 hrs * 60 mins) / 727 animals (assuming an elephant can do the work of a human)
960 mins / 727 animals
1 animal per 1.32 mins

Could you feed and water a buffalo in 1:19 mins? I couldn't feed and water my dog in 1:19 mins. And no breaks allowed! Really! Hey let's assume 30 mins worth of breaks per day:

930/727
1 animal per 1.27 mins
1:16 mins per animal

You just lost 3 seconds per animal selfishly taking breaks! Are you not the steward of these animals? You don't need breaks. Or to eat either. What about preparation of meals (1.5 hrs for meals per day for three meals sound good?):

840 / 727
1 animal per 1.15 mins
1:09 per animal

You just lost another 7 seconds per animal eating! These poor animals are going to die if you don't get to feeding them! I hope Noah doesn't pull a muscle in his six hundred year old back because you'll have a lot more slack to pull:

840 mins / (16000 animals / 21 workers)
840 / 761 animals
1 animal per 1.10 mins
1:06 per animal

Noah laid up with a bad back means you just lost 3 seconds to feed and water all your animals. Plus you got stuck with another 34 animals. Thanks Noah! What you're complaining about your back? What are you some welfare layabout? Get up and get to feeding that wildebeest over there. And if you can wrangle that tiger back into its cage.

[_Sethbag]

The evidence, the evidence ------- what evidence? Where is the great civilization of the Aboriginies?

Pick up a copy of Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs, and Steel and read it. There's really no sense in continuing the conversation until you do.

You mean to tell me that the Aboriginies were living apart from everyone else for 40,000 years and have nothing to show for it? The Egyptians had only a few thousand years and were building pyramids and great cities. and developed writing and paper and art... So, do you imaginge some people are inferior to others and would waste 40,000 years just living?

Pick up a copy of Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs, and Steel and read it. There's really no sense in continuing the conversation until you do.

You see, I can play your little game also. I have the Bible. You have NOTHING to support your logic. Only the belief that there can be no God, so things had to develop somehow differently...

If you had the Bible, and I had nothing to support my logic, as you claim, we'd be on equal footing.

By the way, I don't believe that there can be no God. I just believe that there probably isn't one. And this is a position I migrated to (ie: changed my mind) after being an ardent believer in God for three and a half decades.

Seriously, pick up a copy of Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs, and Steel and read it. There's really no sense in continuing the conversation until you do.

[_Quasimodo]

Maybe it is time you get over the idea that evolution is flawless and that those who accept such are "scientific" and those who have other revelations of origins do no research.

The scientific theory of evolution is not flawless. It's subject to constant review by paleontologists and others and is constantly being refined. The point is that scientists are constantly searching for truth.

Truth is the ultimate goal (as far as it can be ascertained). Finding the truth is the primary motive of science.

The Bible is a collection of mythologies. It has no greater weight or truth than any other mythologies. Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Hindu mythology and dozens of others all have as much validity as the Bible.

All mythologies claim to 'know' the truth. Science is only trying to find out. When one accepts the tenets of any mythology, one has given up on ever knowing the truth.

[_LittleNipper]

Maybe it is time you get over the idea that evolution is flawless and that those who accept such are "scientific" and those who have other revelations of origins do no research.

The scientific theory of evolution is not flawless. It's subject to constant review by paleontologists and others and is constantly being refined. The point is that scientists are constantly searching for truth.

Truth is the ultimate goal (as far as it can be ascertained). Finding the truth is the primary motive of science.

The Bible is a collection of mythologies. It has no greater weight or truth than any other mythologies. Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Hindu mythology and dozens of others all have as much validity as the Bible.

All mythologies claim to 'know' the truth. Science is only trying to find out. When one accepts the tenets of any mythology, one has given up on ever knowing the truth.

Science is a tool. In the wrong hands and for the wrong motives, theories have been developed that say they can prove Creation without God. The Bible is a trail of history that ties together the promise of God. Truth is there for the study and scientific research.

[_LittleNipper]

The evidence, the evidence ------- what evidence? Where is the great civilization of the Aboriginies?

Pick up a copy of Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs, and Steel and read it. There's really no sense in continuing the conversation until you do.

You mean to tell me that the Aboriginies were living apart from everyone else for 40,000 years and have nothing to show for it? The Egyptians had only a few thousand years and were building pyramids and great cities. and developed writing and paper and art... So, do you imaginge some people are inferior to others and would waste 40,000 years just living?

Pick up a copy of Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs, and Steel and read it. There's really no sense in continuing the conversation until you do.

You see, I can play your little game also. I have the Bible. You have NOTHING to support your logic. Only the belief that there can be no God, so things had to develop somehow differently...

If you had the Bible, and I had nothing to support my logic, as you claim, we'd be on equal footing.

By the way, I don't believe that there can be no God. I just believe that there probably isn't one. And this is a position I migrated to (ie: changed my mind) after being an ardent believer in God for three and a half decades.

Seriously, pick up a copy of Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs, and Steel and read it. There's really no sense in continuing the conversation until you do.

"Probably isn't" and "cannot be" are brothers. God can make any gem faster than you can say Zircon.

[_Bond James Bond]

God can make any gem faster than you can say Zircon.

Someone etch that in marble. It's a keeper.