Bond James Bond wrote:If no one has any response I'm going to assume my basic arithmetic about how much time was available to feed and water the animals of the Ark has unraveled the Flood story. Geology and physics trumped by fifth grade math again!
If basic math played a part in the theory of evolution, that theory would have been dumped ages ago. The numbers simply do not add up. There is not enought time for a single celled organism to develope, let alone for that single celled organism to branch out and eventually be the ancestor of all living species. And yet, I must assume that those figure are acceptable to some --- when such suits their logic.
Bond James Bond wrote:If no one has any response I'm going to assume my basic arithmetic about how much time was available to feed and water the animals of the Ark has unraveled the Flood story. Geology and physics trumped by fifth grade math again!
i missed your evidence/proof for how many animals were on the ark...please, CFR
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Bond James Bond wrote:If no one has any response I'm going to assume my basic arithmetic about how much time was available to feed and water the animals of the Ark has unraveled the Flood story. Geology and physics trumped by fifth grade math again!
i missed your evidence/proof for how many animals were on the ark...please, CFR
Are you trying to turn Bonds own pride into a fall? Knowing that no one knows the exact answers.
& what is the deal with the CFR? What Does the C. the F and the R stand for? even the Gods of Google don't list it.
Can't you change it to PPoR. Provide Point of Reference.
PrickKicker: I used to be a Narrow minded, short sighted, Lying, Racist, Homophobic, Pious, Moron. But they were all behavioral traits that I had learnt through Mormonism.
The flood being a literal global happening is still very much doctrine.
From the Institute Manual:
“I would like to know by what known law the immersion of the globe could be accomplished. It is explained here in a few words: ‘The windows of heaven were opened’ that is, the waters that exist throughout the space surrounding the earth from whence come these clouds from which the rain descends. That was one cause. Another cause was ‘the fountains of the great deep were broken up’—that is something beyond the oceans, something outside of the seas, some reservoirs of which we have no knowledge, were made to contribute to this event, and the waters were let loose by the hand and by the power of God; for God said He would bring a flood upon the earth and He brought it, but He had to let loose the fountains of the great deep, and pour out the waters from there, and when the flood commenced to subside, we are told ‘that the fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained, and the waters returned from off the earth.’ Where did they go to? From whence they came. Now, I will show you something else on the back of that. Some people talk very philosophically about tidal waves coming along. But the question is—How could you get a tidal wave out of the Pacific ocean, say, to cover the Sierra Nevadas? But the Bible does not tell us it was a tidal wave. It simply tells that ‘all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered. Fifteen cubits upwards did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.’ That is, the earth was immersed. It was a period of baptism.” (John Taylor, in Journal of Discourses, 26:74–75.)
Orson Pratt declared:
“The first ordinance instituted for the cleansing of the earth, was that of immersion in water; it was buried in the liquid element, and all things sinful upon the face of the earth were washed away. As it came forth from the ocean floor, like the new-born child, it was innocent; it rose to newness of life. It was its second birth from the womb of mighty waters—a new world issuing from the ruins of the old, clothed with all the innocence of this first creation.” (In Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 4:20.)
“The earth, in its present condition and situation, is not a fit habitation for the sanctified; but it abides the law of its creation, has been baptized with water, will be baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost, and by-and-by will be prepared for the faithful to dwell upon” (Brigham Young, in Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 4:20).
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
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Subgenius, I can't seem to find where you've answered the question: "when (what century) do you believe the literal, worldwide flood actually happened?"
What's your answer?
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Bond James Bond wrote:If no one has any response I'm going to assume my basic arithmetic about how much time was available to feed and water the animals of the Ark has unraveled the Flood story. Geology and physics trumped by fifth grade math again!
If basic math played a part in the theory of evolution, that theory would have been dumped ages ago. The numbers simply do not add up. There is not enought time for a single celled organism to develop, let alone for that single celled organism to branch out and eventually be the ancestor of all living species. And yet, I must assume that those figure are acceptable to some --- when such suits their logic.
Wrong. There was in fact adequate time. Your friends make up some wild assumptions and bogus equations and try to prove that it couldn't have happened, but they're obviously mistaken, given that the evidence shows that it really did happen.
One of the things misunderstood by people who are trying to come up with mathematical reasons why evolution couldn't have happened is the idea of massive parallelism.
If a single test tube can contain millions of living cells, imagine the number of living cells on planet Earth. That would be billions of billions of times more cells. I have no idea the final number, but there are probably at least billions of billions of billions of cells living on Earth at any given time. These cells are each living, reproducing, etc. and experiencing evolutionary pressure. Natural selection is being given opportunities billions of billions of billions of times every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year, over millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, even billions of years, to influence the direction life forms are taking. It doesn't even have to be very likely that any given "test" of natural selection in a given cell will produce some change of direction - there are so many cells, and so many tests, that we see a net effect anyway.
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Sethbag wrote:Wrong. There was in fact adequate time. Your friends make up some wild assumptions and bogus equations and try to prove that it couldn't have happened, but they're obviously mistaken, given that the evidence shows that it really did happen.
One of the things misunderstood by people who are trying to come up with mathematical reasons why evolution couldn't have happened is the idea of massive parallelism.
If a single test tube can contain millions of living cells, imagine the number of living cells on planet Earth. That would be billions of billions of times more cells. I have no idea the final number, but there are probably at least billions of billions of billions of cells living on Earth at any given time. These cells are each living, reproducing, etc. and experiencing evolutionary pressure. Natural selection is being given opportunities billions of billions of billions of times every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year, over millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, even billions of years, to influence the direction life forms are taking. It doesn't even have to be very likely that any given "test" of natural selection in a given cell will produce some change of direction - there are so many cells, and so many tests, that we see a net effect anyway.
All true! Besides that, they rely on the unwarranted and unreasonable assumption that of all the essentially countless number of possible configurations and combinations, only the ones we have actually observed can possibly result in viable, living organisms. This is extremely unlikely! In nature, biologists have observed a remarkable variety of viable solutions to great number of given challenges faced by living organisms, and are still discovering previously unknown types of adaptations to given situations that seem to work quite well for the organism under study.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
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PrickKicker wrote:Are you trying to turn Bonds own pride into a fall? Knowing that no one knows the exact answers.
& what is the deal with the CFR? What Does the C. the F and the R stand for? even the Gods of Google don't list it.
Can't you change it to PPoR. Provide Point of Reference.
CFR (while also standing for the Romania soccer team CFR Cluj) also stands for Call For References. It's thrown around quite a bit on many message boards.
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Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
Bond James Bond wrote:If no one has any response I'm going to assume my basic arithmetic about how much time was available to feed and water the animals of the Ark has unraveled the Flood story. Geology and physics trumped by fifth grade math again!
If basic math played a part in the theory of evolution, that theory would have been dumped ages ago. The numbers simply do not add up. There is not enought time for a single celled organism to develope, let alone for that single celled organism to branch out and eventually be the ancestor of all living species. And yet, I must assume that those figure are acceptable to some --- when such suits their logic.
Let's get back to the Ark, but nice try attempt to obfuscate. Anyway (and this is for Subgenius's CFR) the 16,000 animal number comes from a source that LittleNipper cited form answersfromgenesis. We can play by whatever game you want; I was just playing with the oblong ball LittleNipper threw into the arena.
Back to LittleNipper, do you think it's realistic that a monkey can feed and water 741 animals at a rate of 1 animal per 2 mins (let's be generous and give him 2 mins)?
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
LittleNipper wrote:If basic math played a part in the theory of evolution, that theory would have been dumped ages ago. The numbers simply do not add up. There is not enought time for a single celled organism to develop, let alone for that single celled organism to branch out and eventually be the ancestor of all living species. And yet, I must assume that those figure are acceptable to some --- when such suits their logic.
Wrong. There was in fact adequate time. Your friends make up some wild assumptions and bogus equations and try to prove that it couldn't have happened, but they're obviously mistaken, given that the evidence shows that it really did happen.
One of the things misunderstood by people who are trying to come up with mathematical reasons why evolution couldn't have happened is the idea of massive parallelism.
If a single test tube can contain millions of living cells, imagine the number of living cells on planet Earth. That would be billions of billions of times more cells. I have no idea the final number, but there are probably at least billions of billions of billions of cells living on Earth at any given time. These cells are each living, reproducing, etc. and experiencing evolutionary pressure. Natural selection is being given opportunities billions of billions of billions of times every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year, over millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, even billions of years, to influence the direction life forms are taking. It doesn't even have to be very likely that any given "test" of natural selection in a given cell will produce some change of direction - there are so many cells, and so many tests, that we see a net effect anyway.
And one must realize that not one evolution scientist has ever created one living cell. And yet it is BELIEVED that "Mother Nature" came up with the invention of a living cell without any thought or effort. Now, we have singles cells and not one evolution scientist has been able to develope one multi celled organism from that single celled organism, and yet, once again --- it is BELIEVED that "Mother Nature" did it on her own without any imagination whatsoever... I'll stick with a Creator God and others may hang onto the myths of evolution.
