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[_gdemetz]

In the JST, a lot of those type of mistranslations were corrected. Unfortunately, there are many that have not been corrected.

[_ludwigm]

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Please quote me without # characters...

[_just me]

In the JST, a lot of those type of mistranslations were corrected. Unfortunately, there are many that have not been corrected.

Can you provide evidence for the "mistranslation?"

[_Drifting]

In the JST, a lot of those type of mistranslations were corrected. Unfortunately, there are many that have not been corrected.

You also need to explain why the Church doesn't treat the JST as part of the canon...instead using the mistranslated, error strewn King James Version of The Bible...

[_Albion]

Did Joseph Smith translate from one language to another? If he did not, I think a better explanation is that it is a Joseph Smith interpretation rather than a translation. He gave his "interpretation", changing verses to support his creations. Translation gives it status it does not deserve.

[_LittleNipper]

Exodus 11:1-10 Then the Lord tells Moses, that He will strike Pharaoh and the land of Egypt one more blow. After this, Pharaoh will let the Hebrews leave Egypt. Actually, he will be eager to be rid of them and he will force them all to leave. Tell all the Israelite men and women to ask their Egyptian neighbors for articles of silver and gold. (The Lord had caused the Egyptians to look favorably on the people of Israel. And Moses was considered a very great man in the land of Egypt, respected by Pharaoh’s officials and the Egyptian people alike.) Moses announces to Pharaoh, what the Lord says: At midnight, God will pass through the heart of Egypt. All the firstborn sons will die in every family in Egypt, from the oldest son of Pharaoh, who sits on his throne, to the oldest son of his lowliest servant girl who grinds flour. Even the firstborn of all the livestock will die. A loud wail will rise throughout the land of Egypt, unlike one ever heard before or will ever be heard again. Among the Israelites it will be peaceful -- not even a dog will bark. Then The israelites will realize that the Lord makes a distinction between the Egyptians and the Israelites. All the officials of Egypt will run to Moses and fall to the ground before Moses. They will beg the Israelites to rush and leave. Then, burning with anger, Moses left Pharaoh. Now the Lord had told Moses earlier, that Pharaoh will not listen, but then God will do even more mighty miracles in the land of Egypt. Moses and Aaron perform these miracles in Pharaoh’s presence, but the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he wouldn’t let the Israelites leave the country.
Note: I feel that God can accomplish things by doing nothing. In the case of Pharoah, it is likely that God simply didn't send a still small voice of reason to Pharaoh. God can sink the Titanic by doing nothing. It tends to show man how much we actually depend on God's intervention for support and safety. People just do not see this truth.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `One plague more I do bring in on Pharaoh, and on Egypt, afterwards he doth send you away from this; when he is sending you away, he surely casteth you out altogether from this [place];

2 speak, I pray thee, in the ears of the people, and they ask -- each man from his neighbour, and each woman from her neighbour, vessels of silver, and vessels of gold.'

3 And Jehovah giveth the grace of the people in the eyes of the Egyptians; also the man Moses [is] very great in the land of Egypt, in the eyes of the servants of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of the people.

4 And Moses saith, `Thus said Jehovah, About midnight I am going out into the midst of Egypt,

5 and every first-born in the land of Egypt hath died, from the first-born of Pharaoh who is sitting on his throne, unto the first-born of the maid-servant who [is] behind the millstones, and all the first-born of beasts;

6 and there hath been a great cry in all the land of Egypt, such as there hath not been, and such as there is not again.

7 `And against all the sons of Israel a dog sharpeneth not its tongue, from man even unto beast, so that ye know that Jehovah doth make a separation between the Egyptians and Israel;

8 and all these thy servants have come down unto me, and bowed themselves to me, saying, Go out, thou and all the people who [are] at thy feet; and afterwards I do go out;' -- and he goeth out from Pharaoh in the heat of anger.

9 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, `Pharaoh doth not hearken unto you, so as to multiply My wonders in the land of Egypt;'

10 and Moses and Aaron have done all these wonders before Pharaoh, and Jehovah strengtheneth Pharaoh's heart, and he hath not sent the sons of Israel out of his land.

[_gdemetz]

You are wrong again Albion. It is obvious, for example, with the two contradicting accounts of Paul's vision that one must be wrong. Therefore Joseph Smith correctly translated the original writing, or at least corrected it of it's obvious error. The good thing about the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost is that the Spirit can witness to one about the truth of something. Otherwise, they are left to grope in the dark seeking proof of something that may be way over their heads in the first place.

[_PrickKicker]

You are wrong again Albion. It is obvious, for example, with the two contradicting accounts of Paul's vision that one must be wrong. Therefore Joseph Smith correctly translated the original writing, or at least corrected it of it's obvious error. The good thing about the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost is that the Spirit can witness to one about the truth of something. Otherwise, they are left to grope in the dark seeking proof of something that may be way over their heads in the first place.

Oh dear here we go again... Holy Ghost that establishes truth and conveys to man Gods wishes?
the same one that Joseph used to know the truthfulness of the kinderhook plates, the same that told Nephi to Murder some one in cold blood, the one who inspired Joseph Smith to change wording used in both Book of Mormon and KJV to be totally different in JST? the voices in the head, the gut feeling? that Holy Ghost?

It has long been established that this witness is not reliable enough to have that title.

[_LittleNipper]

Exodus 12:1-51 While the Israelites are still in the land of Egypt, God gives the following instructions to Moses and Aaron: That starting now, this month will be the first month of the year for Hebrews. Proclaim to the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each family must choose a lamb or a young goat as a sacrifice, one animal for each household. A small family is to share with another family in the neighborhood. Divide the animal according to the size of each family and how much they can eat. The animal selected must be a one-year-old male --- a sheep or a goat, with no defects. Take special care of this chosen animal until the evening of the fourteenth day of this first month. The whole assembly of the community of Israel must slaughter their lamb or young goat at twilight. They are to take some of the blood and smear it on the sides and top of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the animal. The same night they must roast the meat over a fire and eat it along with bitter greens and bread made without yeast. They are not to eat any of the meat raw or boiled in water. The whole animal—including the head, legs, and internal organs—must be roasted over a fire. None is to be left until the next morning. Burn whatever is not eaten before morning. So These are the instructions for eating this meal: Be fully dressed, wear shoes, and carry your walking stick in your hand. Eat the meal quickly, for this is the Lord’s Passover. That night God will pass through the land of Egypt and strike down every firstborn son and firstborn male animal in the land of Egypt. God will execute judgment against all the gods of Egypt because there are no others. The blood is to be put on the Hebrew's doorposts to serve as a sign, marking those homes. When God sees the blood, He will pass over them. This plague of death will not touch the Hebrews when God strikes Egypt.
This is a day to be remembered every year, from generation to generation, The Hebrews must celebrate it as a special festival to the Lord. This is a law for all time. Seven days the bread eaten must be made without yeast. On the first day of the festival, remove every trace of yeast from the homes. Anyone who eats bread made with yeast during the seven days of the festival will be cut off from the community of Israel. On the first day of the festival and again on the seventh day, all the people must observe an official day for holy assembly. No work of any kind may be done on these days except in the preparation of food. The Israelites are to celebrate this Festival of Unleavened Bread, for it will be a reminder that GOD brought the Hebrews out of the land of Egypt on this very day. This festival will be a permanent law for them; celebrated on that day from generation to generation. The bread eaten must be made without yeast from the evening of the fourteenth day of the first month until the evening of the twenty-first day of that month. During the seven days, there must be no trace of yeast in their homes. Anyone who eats anything made with yeast during this week will be cut off from the community of Israel. These regulations apply both to the foreigners living among you and to the native-born Israelites. During those days they must not eat anything made with yeast. Wherever they live, eat only bread made without yeast. Moses calls all the elders of Israel together and tells them to go, pick out a lamb or young goat for each of the families, and slaughter the Passover animal. Drain the blood into a basin. Take a bundle of hyssop branches and dip it into the blood. Brush the hyssop across the top and sides of the doorframes of their homes. No one may go out through the door until morning. For the Lord will pass through the land to strike down the Egyptians; however, seeing the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe, the Lord will pass over that home. He will not permit his death angel to enter that home to kill. Remember, these instructions are a permanent law that Hebrews must observe forever. When entering the land the Lord has promised, they will continue to observe this ceremony. When the children ask the ceremonies' meaning, They will reply that it is the Passover sacrifice to the Lord, for he passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt. And though he struck the Egyptians, he spared Hebrew families. When Moses had finished speaking, all the people bowed down to the ground and worshiped. So the people of Israel did just as the Lord had commanded through Moses and Aaron. That night at midnight, the Lord struck down all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on his throne, to the firstborn son of the prisoner in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a Egyptian home where someone had not died. Pharaoh sends for Moses and Aaron during the night, telling them to get out! They are to leave and worship the Lord as requested. They are commanded to take their flocks and herds, nd be gone. They are to go, but bless Pharoah as they leave. All the Egyptians urged the people of Israel to get out of the land as quickly as possible, for they imagined that they will all die. The Israelites take their bread dough before yeast is added. They wrap their kneading boards in their cloaks and carried them on their shoulders. The people of Israel did as Moses had instructed; they asked the Egyptians for clothing and articles of silver and gold. The Lord caused the Egyptians to look favorably on the Israelites, and they gave the Israelites whatever they asked for. So they stripped the Egyptians of their wealth! That night the people of Israel left Rameses and started for Succoth. There were about 600,000 men, plus all the women and children. A rabble of non-Israelites went along with them, along with great flocks and herds of livestock. They baked flat cakes from the dough without yeast they had brought from Egypt. It was made without yeast because the people were driven out of Egypt in such a hurry that they had no time to prepare the bread or other food. The Israelites lived in Egypt for 430 years. It was on the last day of the 430th year that all the Lord’s forces left the land. On this night the Lord kept his promise to bring his people out of the land of Egypt. So this night belongs to him, and it must be commemorated every year by all the Israelites, from generation to generation. The Lord says to Moses and Aaron, The instructions for the festival of Passover are that no outsiders are allowed to eat the Passover meal. But any slave who has been purchased may eat it if he has been circumcised. Temporary residents and hired servants may not eat it. Each Passover lamb must be eaten in one house. Do not carry any of its meat outside, and do not break any of its bones (Note: as whould be with Jesus). The whole community of Israel must celebrate this Passover festival. Any foreigners living among Hebrews who wish to celebrate the Lord’s Passover, let all their males be circumcised. Only then may they celebrate the Passover like any native-born Israelite. But no uncircumcised male may ever eat the Passover meal. This instruction applies to everyone, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner living in the land. So all the people of Israel followed all the Lord’s commands to Moses and Aaron. On that very day the Lord brought the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt like an army.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses and unto Aaron, in the land of Egypt, saying,

2 `This month [is] to you the chief of months -- it [is] the first to you of the months of the year;

3 speak ye unto all the company of Israel, saying, In the tenth of this month -- they take to them each man a lamb for the house of the fathers, a lamb for a house.

4 `(And if the household be too few for a lamb, then hath he taken, he and his neighbour who is near unto his house, for the number of persons, each according to his eating ye do count for the lamb,)

5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take [it].

6 `And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;

7 and they have taken of the blood, and have put on the two side-posts, and on the lintel over the houses in which they eat it.

8 `And they have eaten the flesh in this night, roast with fire; with unleavened things and bitters they do eat it;

9 ye do not eat of it raw, or boiled at all in water, but roast with fire, its head with its legs, and with its inwards;

10 and ye do not leave of it till morning, and that which is remaining of it till morning with fire ye do burn.

11 `And thus ye do eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand, and ye have eaten it in haste; it is Jehovah's passover,

12 and I have passed over through the land of Egypt during this night, and have smitten every first-born in the land of Egypt, from man even unto beast, and on all the gods of Egypt I do judgments; I [am] Jehovah.

13 `And the blood hath become a sign for you on the houses where ye [are], and I have seen the blood, and have passed over you, and a plague is not on you for destruction in My smiting in the land of Egypt.

14 `And this day hath become to you a memorial, and ye have kept it a feast to Jehovah to your generations; -- a statute age-during; ye keep it a feast.

15 Seven days ye eat unleavened things; only -- in the first day ye cause leaven to cease out of your houses; for any one eating anything fermented from the first day till the seventh day, even that person hath been cut off from Israel.

16 `And in the first day [is] a holy convocation, and in the seventh day ye have a holy convocation; any work is not done in them, only that which is eaten by any person -- it alone is done by you,

17 and ye have observed the unleavened things, for in this self-same day I have brought out your hosts from the land of Egypt, and ye have observed this day to your generations -- a statute age-during.

18 `In the first [month], in the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, ye do eat unleavened things until the one and twentieth day of the month, at evening;

19 seven days leaven is not found in your houses, for any [one] eating anything fermented -- that person hath been cut off from the company of Israel, among the sojourners or among the natives of the land;

20 anything fermented ye do not eat, in all your dwellings ye do eat unleavened things.'

21 And Moses calleth for all the elders of Israel, and saith unto them, `Draw out and take for yourselves [from] the flock, for your families, and slaughter the passover-sacrifice;

22 and ye have taken a bunch of hyssop, and have dipped [it] in the blood which [is] in the basin, and have struck [it] on the lintel, and on the two side-posts, from the blood which [is] in the basin, and ye, ye go not out each from the opening of his house till morning.

23 `And Jehovah hath passed on to smite the Egyptians, and hath seen the blood on the lintel, and on the two side-posts, and Jehovah hath passed over the opening, and doth not permit the destruction to come into your houses to smite.

24 `And ye have observed this thing, for a statute to thee, and to thy sons -- unto the age;

25 and it hath been, when ye come in unto the land which Jehovah giveth to you, as He hath spoken, that ye have kept this service;

26 and it hath come to pass when your sons say unto you, What [is] this service ye have?

27 that ye have said, A sacrifice of passover it [is] to Jehovah, who passed over the houses of the sons of Israel in Egypt, in His smiting the Egyptians, and our houses He delivered.'

28 And the people bow and do obeisance, and the sons of Israel go and do as Jehovah commanded Moses and Aaron; so have they done.

29 And it cometh to pass, at midnight, that Jehovah hath smitten every first-born in the land of Egypt, from the first-born of Pharaoh who is sitting on his throne, unto the first-born of the captive who [is] in the prison-house, and every first-born of beasts.

30 And Pharaoh riseth by night, he and all his servants, and all the Egyptians, and there is a great cry in Egypt, for there is not a house where there is not [one] dead,

31 and he calleth for Moses and for Aaron by night, and saith, `Rise, go out from the midst of my people, both ye and the sons of Israel, and go, serve Jehovah according to your word;

32 both your flock and your herd take ye, as ye have spoken, and go; then ye have blessed also me.'

33 And the Egyptians are urgent on the people, hasting to send them away out of the land, for they said, `We are all dead;'

34 and the people taketh up its dough before it is fermented, their kneading-troughs [are] bound up in their garments on their shoulder.

35 And the sons of Israel have done according to the word of Moses, and they ask from the Egyptians vessels of silver and vessels of gold, and garments;

36 and Jehovah hath given the grace of the people in the eyes of the Egyptians, and they cause them to ask, and they spoil the Egyptians.

37 And the sons of Israel journey from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, apart from infants;

38 and a great rabble also hath gone up with them, and flock and herd -- very much cattle.

39 And they bake with the dough which they have brought out from Egypt unleavened cakes, for it hath not fermented; for they have been cast out of Egypt, and have not been able to delay, and also provision they have not made for themselves.

40 And the dwelling of the sons of Israel which they have dwelt in Egypt [is] four hundred and thirty years;

41 and it cometh to pass, at the end of four hundred and thirty years -- yea, it cometh to pass in this self-same day -- all the hosts of Jehovah have gone out from the land of Egypt.

42 A night of watchings it [is] to Jehovah, to bring them out from the land of Egypt; it [is] this night to Jehovah of watchings to all the sons of Israel to their generations.

43 And Jehovah saith unto Moses and Aaron, `This [is] a statute of the passover; Any son of a stranger doth not eat of it;

44 and any man's servant, the purchase of money, when thou hast circumcised him -- then he doth eat of it;

45 a settler or hired servant doth not eat of it;

46 in one house it is eaten, thou dost not carry out of the house [any] of the flesh without, and a bone ye do not break of it;

47 all the company of Israel do keep it.

48 `And when a sojourner sojourneth with thee, and hath made a passover to Jehovah, every male of his [is] to be circumcised, and then he doth come near to keep it, and he hath been as a native of the land, but any uncircumcised one doth not eat of it;

49 one law is to a native, and to a sojourner who is sojourning in your midst.'

50 And all the sons of Israel do as Jehovah commanded Moses and Aaron; so have they done.

51 And it cometh to pass in this self-same day, Jehovah hath brought out the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, by their hosts.

[_PrickKicker]

So not only are we supposed to believe that the Israelites lived in the same types of homes in the same streets as the Egyptians?
So much so that God needed a sign on the door posts so he didn't kill the wrong children...

But we are also to believe that as the Egyptians slaves, they were also able to run family farms, and tended to and slaughter their own cattle?

Then God favourite useless part of the human anatomy, Cut off everyone's foreskin, coz that pleaseth me, no end!