Franktalk - what does he believe/not believe...?

[Guest]

AAH!! Hokay. Frank=fully Gnostic.

[_Franktalk]

Second bump.

On many grounds. But the bottom line is I trust the moral rudder I have that was built into me. I also trust the truth detector that was built into me. It is my belief we all have them. But some ignore them or cloud over them with worldly ideas. In this they become fools.

[_Themis]

Frank , there is all kinds of evidence you could put forth on the question asked. I think your just not understanding , if you say "you can hold onto a belief without evidence of god giving us messages over time" that's pretty much saying god never gives us messages.

The problem is what is considered evidence by each person. Personal evidence is fine for me but not fine for others. Now others who have had the same experience may give some degree of evidence to anothers personal evidence. But someone who wallows in the world and has not has a spiritual experience they reject my personal experience. Then we go round and round. Been there done that.

You are really just being asked how you know something is true. I can evaluate people's personal evidence. I know many members who do articulate their personal evidence on why they believe a, b, or c.

[_Drifting]

I think this current age is going to last around 8000 years.

On what grounds do you think this?

[_Franktalk]

AAH!! Hokay. Frank=fully Gnostic.

Gnostic

"Gnosticism (from gnostikos, "learned", from Greek: γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) is a modern scholarly term for a set of religious beliefs and spiritual practices found among some early Christian and non-Christian groups called "gnostic" ("knowing") by Irenaeus and other early Christian leaders."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

I follow the path that scripture tells me I should be on. I follow the promptings of the Holy Ghost. This is where I am. Many don't see this path in scripture. That is their path.

[_Themis]

1. Do you believe that the indirect evidence obtained by science supplies facts about the distant past?

Yes their is plenty of evidence that tells us things about the past. You believe this, even if you want to ignore certain evidences that don't fit what you want to believe.

2. Do you believe that human experience is limited to the senses and that spiritual matters are figments of an over active mind?

I think it is one possibility that should not be dismissed because it also does not fit with what you want to believe. Also, just because it may be created by the mind and body does not make it less valuable. I have tried to get to you explain why you think it is not a possibility, or if you know what the mind and body are capable or not capable of.

3. Do you believe that man evolved from a common ancestor with chimps?

A lot of Christians, including many LDS, believe just that. They believe it was directed by God.

4. Do you believe that life ends when the body dies?

I don't know.

5. Do you believe that man makes up what is moral and society has created good and evil?

Even with God, man and society still make up morals and what is considered good and evil. Many religions believe God gave them a certain set of rules.

I would answer no to each of these. Some people who declare them self Christian may answer yes to some of them.

The issue is how you think you know.

[_Franktalk]

I think this current age is going to last around 8000 years.

On what grounds do you think this?

It is my belief that we are about 7800 years into this age. I see the signs that it may end sometime soon.

[_Themis]

Second bump.

On many grounds. But the bottom line is I trust the moral rudder I have that was built into me. I also trust the truth detector that was built into me. It is my belief we all have them. But some ignore them or cloud over them with worldly ideas. In this they become fools.

I don't want to be offensive, but the fool is the one who thinks they have a truth detector built inside them, and then gives excuses why others get different truths because they are ignoring their truth detectors, but I am not.

[_Franktalk]

The issue is how you think you know.

The term think is so limiting.

[_Drifting]

Frank, where does the period of 8,000 years come from?