I pity the fool...

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Re: I pity the fool...

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LittleNipper wrote:
Albion wrote:LN, can you name one freedom you have lost under Pres. Obama?


The freedom of publically not considering the union of 2 men or two women in terms of marriage as a Christian business owner.


I don't understand how he has taken that freedom away from you.
Please expand.
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subgenius wrote:
Albion wrote:LN, can you name one freedom you have lost under Pres. Obama?

the most obvious one - is the freedom to NOT purchase health insurance.
But the more important one is why we have yet to see Gitmo closed (as was promised) - Indefinite Military Detention

and do not forget when he signed HR 347 which suppresses lawful protests just a little bit more by creating "free speech zones"

but i am sure you were well informed of such things...did you need any more examples of freedoms lost? or do you need to wait and see that Obama actually did not "kill" SOPA but just put it on hold....for now

also, add that his administration is quickly becoming not-so-much-of-a-fan-for freedom of speech

and BUMP for Albion
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Re: I pity the fool...

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Drifting wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
The freedom of publically not considering the union of 2 men or two women in terms of marriage as a Christian business owner.


I don't understand how he has taken that freedom away from you.
Please expand.

The gay employee claims that his mate is his spouse. If a christian company defrays the costs of family healthcare, the Christian company is forced to also contribute towards a lifestyle which is in fact not condoned or a marriage in the eyes of a conservative biblical christian. Otherwise, there is an opening for lawsuits. Also, if a person is not offered employment because he/she is openly living in sin, that also is governmental grounds for a lawsuit. In other words, the government tells the Christian what he is allowed and not allowed to do --- no matter what the christian biblically believes. What the government now says is believe whatever you wish; however, don't act on it if such doesn't fit governmental ideology (establishment of a State religion) ---The government is above God, and above the citizen.
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Re: I pity the fool...

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Not sure exactly how any of that has changed because of a specific Obama action.
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Re: I pity the fool...

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Article of faith #12: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in obeying honouring and sustaining the law.

Hmm, no article of faith saying Gods laws have precedent?

Confirms my belief that it is a man made religion.

Definitely not the same God as the Old Testament, that would destroy nations to establish his doctrine.
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PrickKicker wrote:Article of faith #12: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in obeying honouring and sustaining the law.

Hmm, no article of faith saying Gods laws have precedent?

Confirms my belief that it is a man made religion.

Definitely not the same God as the Old Testament, that would destroy nations to establish his doctrine.

pretty sure the "precedent" is set in #1 and #3 and #8
thanks for playing
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Re: I pity the fool...

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subgenius wrote:pretty sure the "precedent" is set in #1 and #3 and #8
thanks for playing


I'm sorry I don't understand the game?
Can you explain your inference?
:confused: :question:
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Re: I pity the fool...

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PrickKicker wrote:
subgenius wrote:pretty sure the "precedent" is set in #1 and #3 and #8
thanks for playing


I'm sorry I don't understand the game?
Can you explain your inference?
:confused: :question:

it is a quite common colloquial
did not realize that you were unfamiliar - see provided link.
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Re: I pity the fool...

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subgenius wrote:it is a quite common colloquial
did not realize that you were unfamiliar - see provided link.


:rolleyes: If you once again need me to spell it out for you... I am asking you...
Why are you inferring the the overriding factors, that Gods laws are more important than man's are contained within 1,3 & 8?
Are you seeing something that I can't see because I am not using my spiritual eyes? :eek: I can see #3 comes close but is over ridden by #8.

A prime example of this is D&C132 and Official declaration 1 + Wilfords remarks

1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.



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Re: I pity the fool...

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LittleNipper wrote:The gay employee claims that his mate is his spouse. If a christian company defrays the costs of family healthcare, the Christian company is forced to also contribute towards a lifestyle which is in fact not condoned or a marriage in the eyes of a conservative biblical christian.


How can a company be designated with a religious title like 'Christian Company'? Because discrimination in companies because of religious belief is, I believe, illegal.
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