Free Will

[_Molok]

So, it would seem contrary to your inquiry, God has revealed Himself - albeit limited - which is reasonable, is it not?

I don't think God has revealed himself to anyone. But , assuming for a moment that God really has revealed himself to multiple people throughout history, I can find no good reason why he shouldn't reveal himself to everyone.

[_subgenius]

So, it would seem contrary to your inquiry, God has revealed Himself - albeit limited - which is reasonable, is it not?

I don't think God has revealed himself to anyone. But , assuming for a moment that God really has revealed himself to multiple people throughout history, I can find no good reason why he shouldn't reveal himself to everyone.

aside from His stated reason that seeing Him equals death? did you not see that one?

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[_Molok]

aside from His stated reason that seeing Him equals death? did you not see that one?

Joseph Smith saw him just fine. Oops.

[_Molok]

Why are you still asking this same vague question , rejecting all awnsers given , and then never atleast expanding an explanation of your concept of god. And giving examples of proof positive in your view (for everyone)

You might as well ask , why can't I get a diploma without going to school in my opinion.

I know that a diploma is a real thing, and I know the requirements to get one. In fact, I already have. I know schools exist, because I've been there. Unfortunately, I don't know if God exists, or what he wants me to do in my life, or why I should even listen to him if he does exist. And there are no shortage of people in the world who give wonderfully contradictory information about these topics, yet all of them claim to get their information directly from God. Your comparison is laughable.

Its one of 3 in my view.

The magical sky daddy isn't going to just reveal themselfs proof positive with no effort on your side. For various reasons allready explained numerous times.

Not one person has given a good reason why some people get to see God bodily and others don't. If you think you know, please go ahead and offer some thoughts.

There is no god , and its merely just a concept that is a basic function within the human psyche to stretch beyond what is atleast thought of as self evident. A nessacary action humans take in order to expand their reality.

No! Really? You might just be on to something.

God is not an organism as we know one in respect to timelines reacting to feelings and the like. But a static organism encompassing all we know and is the laws that govern our existence. Inwich case god is slowly revealing them self.

So God is an organism so much more advanced than we are that he defines our existance. Such a being would be completely beyond our ability to reason. We couldn't understand its motivations, or aspirations, and yet we should all just believe that he wants what's best for us, just because. That would be like me trying to make sure the ants in my garden live rich, fulfilling lives. No, wait, it's actually infinitely more absurd than that, but I'm sure you get the idea.

... and one more thought as a question ... Are you unfamiliar with the concept of staring directly at something and not being able to see it?

Not when this thing I'm staring at without seeing is demanding a certain lifestyle of me, no.

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[_subgenius]

I know that a diploma is a real thing, and I know the requirements to get one. In fact, I already have.

so you say

I know schools exist, because I've been there.

so you say

Unfortunately, I don't know if God exists, or what he wants me to do in my life, or why I should even listen to him if he does exist.

Yet you consider it reasonable for us to "believe" you claim that you have a diploma whereas for you to believe "us" that there is a God, is unreasonable....ironic, but got it!

And there are no shortage of people in the world who give wonderfully contradictory information about these topics, yet all of them claim to get their information directly from God. Your comparison is laughable.

contradictions do not exclude His existence. A contradiction, real or perceived, is not how truth or fiction is determined.

Not one person has given a good reason why some people get to see God bodily and others don't. If you think you know, please go ahead and offer some thoughts.

The first and obvious (and reasonable) "good reason" is that God has chosen not to. In a universe where free-will is considered to exist, this is a valid conclusion and an appropriate response to your request.
But to be fair to you, there is also no "good reason" why God should reveal Himself to everyone.

So God is an organism so much more advanced than we are that he defines our existance. Such a being would be completely beyond our ability to reason. We couldn't understand its motivations, or aspirations, and yet we should all just believe that he wants what's best for us, just because.

"completely beyond our ability to reason"?....hmmm...seems like you just offered the "good reason" you were requesting above...nicely done.

That would be like me trying to make sure the ants in my garden live rich, fulfilling lives.

this analogy only works if you had, in fact, created the ants...and then it would be perfectly reasonable for you to desire good things for them.

Not when this thing I'm staring at without seeing is demanding a certain lifestyle of me, no.

And yet a clear picture of your "mind" you surely see.
I always appreciate one who can admit their "ad hoc" lifestyle...there is something so adorable about those who fumbling about, it is actually quite medieval as it relates to urban development etc...and you call yourself Molok...tee-hee

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[Yet you consider it reasonable for us to "believe" you claim that you have a diploma whereas for you to believe "us" that there is a God, is unreasonable....ironic, but got it!

So, you've never seen a diploma, or a college before? And if your comparison wasn't hopelessly inept, my behavior would be hypocritical, not ironic. But whatever.

contradictions do not exclude His existence. A contradiction, real or perceived, is not how truth or fiction is determined.

The contradictions I was referring to speak to the truthfulness of the spiritual experience, not to the existence of God.

The first and obvious (and reasonable) "good reason" is that God has chosen not to. In a universe where free-will is considered to exist, this is a valid conclusion and an appropriate response to your request.

The question is WHY God has chosen to do this.

But to be fair to you, there is also no "good reason" why God should reveal Himself to everyone.

Of course there is. It would prove that he exists. No reason to wonder anymore.

"completely beyond our ability to reason"?....hmmm...seems like you just offered the "good reason" you were requesting above...nicely done.

Oh, if you seriously want to go down this route, then list some reasons why you should trust such a being.

I always appreciate one who can admit their "ad hoc" lifestyle...there is something so adorable about those who fumbling about, it is actually quite medieval as it relates to urban development etc...and you call yourself Molok...tee-hee

Oh look, the guy who believes in bronze age mythology is trying to be all condescending and such.

[_Molok]

MkTavish,

You have completely misunderstood the context of my questions. I am an atheist.

[_Themis]

God is not an organism as we know one in respect to timelines reacting to feelings and the like. But a static organism encompassing all we know and is the laws that govern our existence. Inwich case god is slowly revealing them self.

Would that be Gaia? I'm thinking Issac Azimov's Foundation series.