Tobin wrote:Again, the JST is available for study as are many other resources. As faqs as pointed out, it is unimportant which version of the scriptures you use from the Mormon perspective. The point of the scriptures is to lead one to God and you should receive instruction from there.
Spoken like a true LDS .... and yes that's why these Questions are asked Frequently
A major question is where does the scripture lead one?
What if the scripture leads one to believe it is all very contradictory and a bunch of hogwash meant to confuse in order to better controll the masses? And also ... does god seek to control the masses , and if so ... should I be worried about being controlled?
Is it my self sense of determinism that is meant to be used? or should I rely on what others tell me my self should be determining?
Does my tithing really go to helping others? Or does it go to helping to subjugate others?
Is this water and bread bought at any grocery store and came from the communal tap really magically transformed by a few petty words spoken over it?
Is the bishop really interested in my spiritual well being , or are they satisfying some sexual desire when they ask 12 year olds about their masturbation habbits?
Does ldsfaq really have any awnsers? I think NOT !
You should try reading the scriptures and understanding what is sitting before you someday. IF the scriptures are true, then they reflect MAN speaking with a real God who speaks back. If you aren't doing likewise, you aren't doing it right.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
as a youth i was told frankly that the church does't use it because it would hurt missionary efforts. it's hard enough to avoid offending Christians with the mere existence of "Another Testament" without also telling them "Your Testament Is Wrong, Here Lemme Fix It". so they use the KJV because it's the safest choice and lowest common denominator.
just me wrote:Dude, get yourself a copy of the Inspired Version of the Bible that Joseph did. There is a lot more changes in there that the LDS church does not use.
Technically true, but the Church does include everything known to be significant in so far as changes. Not every "change" was/is necessary to include in footnotes etc. Anything that adds doctrine or clarification or insight IS in LDS Scriptures.
So what are you crying about?
If most of it wasn't significant why did God waste Joseph's time by inspiring him to correct it?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Tobin wrote:You should try reading the scriptures and understanding what is sitting before you someday. IF the scriptures are true, then they reflect MAN speaking with a real God who speaks back. If you aren't doing likewise, you aren't doing it right.
You used "If" to many times. You didn't say it right ... I suggest you rethink your thoughts, read a dictionary and repost it. Untill then ;P
You really sounded idiotic when you made the comment above. What I'm stating is called a proposition. Clearly you have trouble with the concept. They start typically with IF. IF A is TRUE, then B is implied or may be a direct result.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Nobody? Something about doctrine by bcspace? Something from ldsfaqs? FAQs as frequently asked questions? From geniuses? maybe one of the subs one?
Uncomfortable question? No answer? Something to hide by the church?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Tobin wrote:You should try reading the scriptures and understanding what is sitting before you someday. IF the scriptures are true, then they reflect MAN speaking with a real God who speaks back. If you aren't doing likewise, you aren't doing it right.
Mktavish wrote:You used "If" to many times. You didn't say it right ... I suggest you rethink your thoughts, read a dictionary and repost it. Untill then ;P
Tobin wrote:You really sounded idiotic when you made the comment above. What I'm stating is called a proposition. Clearly you have trouble with the concept. They start typically with IF. IF A is TRUE, then B is implied or may be a direct result.
Well in my view you sounded idiotic when you responded with that to my list of questions.
I succinctly addressed your questions. I am not responsible if you can not grasp the answer.
Mktavish wrote:Sounded like this " Oh hey dude , you just didn't read the Bible right , you needed to disreguard every other passage in order to get the full meaning"
That isn't what I said.
Mktavish wrote:So I responded in kind with an equally idiotic statement.
No, your statement just mirrors your questions.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:It is available to study, but that isn't the point of Mormonism to simply accept the say so of this version or that version of the scriptures - even the Book of Mormon or "inspired" version of the Bible. One should speak with God face-to-face about these things and learn the truth from him.
Sounds good to me.
So, when is Jesus coming over to my house for lunch then?
"Joseph Smith was called as a prophet, dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb" -South Park