Gunnar wrote:LittleNipper wrote:According to whom? What about dark matter and quantum physics?
Nothing about dark matter and quantum physics either requires or precludes the existence of God (as far as I can tell).It seems to me that logic states that life originated from somewhere.
Obviously! Duh!If life cannot be proven to be spontaniously forming now, then it never happened in the past.
That does not necessarily follow. Once life formed (whether spontaneously or not) and became well established, any subsequent spontaneous formation of life would be immediately swallowed up by already established lifeforms. Thus the probability of observing and proving subsequent spontaneous generation of life in nature would necessarily be zero--even if it happened.So a scientist must either be able to manufacture life or be faced with the reality that life was created supernaturally. It is a total fraud of science to continue to propose that life is just a fact of a "natural process" and then not find it anywhere else in the universe or not be able to develope it. Only God can create life. And the proof is the very fact you exist.
Patent nonsense! You can't claim that anything is necessarily impossible based on what scientists have not yet been able to do! Suppose that tomorrow, scientists announce and prove that they have succeeded in creating self-replicating, life-like forms, would you then admit the fact (or, at least, the probability) of evolution? I doubt it! You would merely move the goalpost and claim that this proved only that intelligent design was needed for the creation of life.
Similarly, if scientists discovered unmistakable proof of extraterrestrial life, would you then admit the reality or the possibility of evolution? Again, I doubt it. The fact that scientists have not yet done so means absolutely nothing! Tell me, LN, do you think it is at all likely that in the entire, observable universe of hundreds of billions of galaxies and countless trillions of trillions of stars, that our, tiny, insignifant little planet is the only abode of life? What a horrendous waste of real estate that would be!
Besides that, even if it is true that only a god can create life (which it is admittedly impossible at this point to rule out entirely), that does not necessarily imply that he/she/it had to use supernatural means to do it--nor does it rule out or demolish the fact of evolution, which is only concerned with how life changed and developed after its initial origin--not how it originated.
Nothing about dark matter and quantum physics either requires or precludes the existence of God (as far as you can tell) --- It still requires a leap of faith on the part of those scientists who accept such.
I can claim that life with creation is necessarily impossible if scientists cannot forulate it! I firmly believe man will never create life from inert matter. And until they do, any notion that a nonliving environment could concoct life is but a fairy tale and the only logical solution is the finger of GOD created life...
