The Term Anti-Mormon

[_LDSToronto]

Now, me, I'm probably closer to an anti-Mormon. I *have* actively dissuaded two of my nephews from serving missions and I have given one of them enough information to go inactive. I've spoken ill of the church and it's practices to my workmates and friends in order to prevent them from ever affiliating with the LDS church.
H.

poor kids. To have an uncle interfere in their lives can only spell disaster for you. If their lives turn out upside down, guess who will get the blame? And if I were their parents, I would never speak with you again, if I were an active member of the LDS church. You have no right to interfere in the lives of another parent's children unless they gave you permission. However, I can understand now just why your posts have turned so bitter.

They were both legal, don't worry, I wasn't trying to convert children - you know, the way missionaries try to convert teenagers under 18?

And since when does anyone need permission to speak with their adult nephews?

H.

[_Ceeboo]

Also, given your base definition, would you consider Mormonism to be anti-Christian?

Anybody want to offer their opinion/perspective on this?

Thanks and peace,
Ceeboo

[_Ceeboo]

Ohhhh!

And thanks to all for all the replies. I am digesting them!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_LDSToronto]

Also, given your base definition, would you consider Mormonism to be anti-Christian?

Anybody want to offer their opinion/perspective on this?

Thanks and peace,
Ceeboo

It's a pretty complicated answer, Ceeboo, so I hope you don't mind a short one:

1. LDS consider themselves Christian
2. LDS consider themselves to be restored, 'pure' Christianity
3. LDS leaders state the LDS Church is Christian


However....

Most LDS, in local meetings, will state that they are the only true church and that other denominations of Christianity are 'broken' to some extent because of the filter of history, the evils of men, the designs of Satan, etc. etc. etc.

So, when it comes down to it, I think that an honest LDS viewpoint would say that LDS are Christian, and that they are the *only* Christians.

Note what Richard G. Hales, one of the Twelve said at the most recent General Conference:

"The word Christian denotes taking upon us the name of Christ. We do this by being baptized and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands by those holding His priesthood authority."


H.

[_ldsfaqs]

Hey again, LDS

No.....

"Anti" means "against"..... A Mormon is not "against" anyone else.

While I will surely not suggest that any individual Mormon is against anyone else, Mormonism surely is against everyone else (All Christians). Yes?

Peace,
Ceeboo

Absolutely NOT..... We are FOR and PRO the Restored Gospel of Christ. We are not "directly" against anyone. Obviously, by "default" some of our beliefs can be considered against, but "everyone" has that when they embrace one ideology over others.

What we are talking about here is bigotry, and active dissent against others. Mormonism has no such thing.

Read our "Religions of the World: A Latter-day Saint View" book (which was co-authored by a former Evangelical)
You won't see anything in that book that comes close to what Anti-Mormonism produces.

If I will Pray with you, if I don't write bad things, but especially false things about your religion, if I'm not attacking your religion at every corner, we don't have classes on "cults" attacking other religions, and on and on, how can you say I OR my religion is "against" your religion or ANY other religion??? Just because we said some mean things in history, most of which is in response to the mean things YOUR people said of us???

Oh, and as to examples, I don't follow people, I simply have seen you for some time at MADB and here, and I see you cheer various anti-mormon claims here. I don't need to nit-pick you, unless you are going to "deny" you don't cheer many of the anti-mormon claims said here???

[_ldsfaqs]

Like? (Again, a serious question)

Peace,
Ceeboo

Ceeboo, I know that you aren't stupid. Most of the threads on this board are antimormon. And you know it. Go to an anticatholic board and read all the anticatholic posts on the board, and tell us how you feel. You would feel the same way as a Mormon on this board or on the catholic taliban board reading such posts that degrade your faith.

And this has nothing to do with what Ceeboo asked.

Yes it does..... Since most posts here ARE anti-mormon, and he comes here and cheers many of them on, then clearly some of his views can be considered "anti-mormon". Why point out specific examples when almost any thread he's commented on here is an example???

Why Me posted wisely...

[_cafe crema]

And this has nothing to do with what Ceeboo asked.

Yes it does..... Since most posts here ARE anti-mormon, and he comes here and cheers many of them on, then clearly some of his views can be considered "anti-mormon". Why point out specific examples when almost any thread he's commented on here is an example???

Why Me posted wisely...

In other words you have no examples to prove your accusation.

[_ldsfaqs]

Sidney Rigdon's 4th of July speech calling for the extermination of those opposed to Mormonism a full 3 months BEFORE the Missouri extermination order might have had something to do with it don't you think?

Bigoted? Pot meet kettle.

Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?

I love CONTEXT, how come you don't love CONTEXT???

His speech was an angry and legitimate response to YOUR KINDS BIGOTRY and desires to "exterminate" Mormons.

Do you really consider standing up for ones self, is itself "bigotry"?
I guess you must think Israel also is the "bad guy" for standing against Islamic extremism and desires to exterminate them???

Heaven forbid a Mormon or an Israeli gives and angry response to bigotry then or today!!! :(

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Rigdon's July 4th oration was a speech delivered by Mormon leader Sidney Rigdon during a 4th of July celebration in Far West, Missouri in 1838. Rigdon was first counselor to, and often spokesman for, Joseph Smith Jr..

The oration was meant as a Mormon "declaration of independence" against "mobocrats" and Anti-Mormon persecution. In his speech, Rigdon declared:

We take God and all the holy angels to witness this day, that we warn all men in the name of Jesus Christ, to come on us no more forever. For from this hour, we will bear it no more, our rights shall no more be trampled on with impunity. The man or the set of men, who attempts it, does it at the expense of their lives. And that mob that comes on us to disturb us; it shall be between us and them a war of extermination; for we will follow them till the last drop of their blood is spilled, or else they will have to exterminate us: for we will carry the seat of war to their own houses, and their own families, and one party or the other shall be utterly destroyed.—Remember it then all MEN.

We will never be the aggressors, we will infringe on the rights of no people; but shall stand for our own until death. We claim our own rights, and are willing that all others shall enjoy theirs.
No man shall be at liberty to come into our streets, to threaten us with mobs, for if he does, he shall atone for it before he leaves the place, neither shall he be at liberty, to vilify and slander any of us, for suffer it we will not in this place.

The speech alarmed local non-Mormons attending the celebration. Later, the church presidency published the July 4th Oration, causing considerable agitation and further stoking anti-Mormon sentiment throughout northwestern Missouri. Many contemporaries and later historians cite the July 4th Oration as a contributing factor to the 1838 Mormon War.
The July 4th Oration is often confused with the Salt Sermon.

[_EAllusion]

Not true at all. Mormons do not find a criticism to be antimormon.

In order for this post to work, you're going to have to erase my memory of dozens, if not hundreds, of Mormons, including several posters here, defining antiMormon in terms of criticism of the LDS Church.

Let me know when you have succeeded.

[_ldsfaqs]

The bold above are my own words also.....

I will stand against your bigotry in contempt of it until my dying breath!

You are not "innocent"...! You breed war!