lance peters wrote:... and the Mormon "persecution complex" is as strong as ever ...
All Christians should feel that the world hates them. If you do not get that feeling then you are doing something wrong. For those who refuse to walk the spiritual walk and follow the commandments but instead embrace the fallen world they are bound by death and are destined to return to this world over and over. This is why there is a great tribulation. To force these people to make up their mind. The three harvest are an indication of the waves that force a choice. The barley harvest that requires no tribulation, the wheat harvest which are those who choose God but require a crushing, and the grape harvest which is for those who choose Satan. Have you ever wondered why we have a great tribulation?
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Robert F Smith wrote:....... Since the Book of Mormon contains far too many verifiable marks of authenticity, its very improbable nature becomes a defense of the miracles it contains as well as the miracle of its coming forth, and therefore also makes miracles in the Bible more plausible and probable.
It is a noble cause to attempt to show the factual nature of the Word of God in its various forms. I spent years chasing down little details, not to prove to me that God is real but to show others that there is an actual message from God on the earth in written form. But since we are to live in faith the best you can do is show that there is no proof against the existence of God. But it also holds that no proof will be found that proves God exist. You may trace back artifacts and show that described history is true but the person on the street may still throw out the miracles. What may be obvious to a believer is pearls before swine to the person of the world.
SteelHead wrote:Cuz your over developed sense of paranoia has left you with a persecution complex?
It is a test of faith that we must endure. In fact we are to be happy that we can suffer in the name of Jesus. I do not go out of my way to bring on tribulation but if it comes I am happy to face it head on, strong in faith to the end.
SteelHead wrote:Robert, Can you supply a list of said verifiable markers?
I would say to read Leviticus Chapter 26.. There are a whole lot of markers. When a nation does what is correct it is peaceful and protected, but when it is doing wicked things and calling it good, then it faces calamity. I will say that I have seen this happen in the United States. Things that were evil are now called good and what was once good is looked as as totally wrong. Yet the nation as a whole seems to be digging its own grave. Money is wasted, politicians are greedy, people are out of work, and marriage has become a sham. Things like this have happened before. There was the Civil War and the Depression, Dust Bowl. Do I see things improving presently? NO! Not until God again becomes the center of focus. When the nation repents then things will improve. If we do not ---- things will worsen.
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You have to be blind. It isn't subjective it is most obvious. So, just how do you think America is going to pay off the trillions we owe? How many schools need to be shot up by losers? How many malls need to be attacked? Hpw many babies need to be aborted? How many marriages need to end in divorce? How many people must go to prision? How many must take drugs? How many statisticians does it take to observe no changes and everything remaining exactly the same..?
