Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass?

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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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LittleNipper wrote:.
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So no, God cannot create a rock so big that He cannot move it.
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Then he is not omnipotent. The term omnipotent is rife with conundrum.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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If god does not sin, why does he repent?

Exo 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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SteelHead wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:.
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So no, God cannot create a rock so big that He cannot move it.
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Then he is not omnipotent. The term omnipotent is rife with conundrum.

The term omnipotent means
1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. having very great or unlimited authority or power.

An almighty being cannot create a rock so big that He cannot move it; however, God did become Jesus and did not know when the end of the world would happen while a man... So He can limit his power at will. Jesus did need help to carry His cross. So. I believe you are not thinking and too ready to pounce. There is nothing too big for God.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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SteelHead wrote:If god does not sin, why does he repent?

Exo 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Repent can mean REGRET. To regret is not a sin.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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LittleNipper wrote: There is nothing too big for God.



LittleNipper wrote:An almighty being cannot create a rock so big that He cannot move it; however, God did become Jesus and did not know when the end of the world would happen while a man...


You seem to be contradicting yourself.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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LittleNipper wrote:
SteelHead wrote:If god does not sin, why does he repent?

Exo 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Repent can mean REGRET. To regret is not a sin.


Repentance @Wikipedia:
Though it includes sorrow and regret, it is more than that.
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It is a change of mind that involves a conscious turning away from wrong actions, attitudes and thoughts that conflict with a Godly lifestyle and biblical commands.
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How does a perfect, all knowing, all powerful being, have a change of plans, and regret his earlier course? http://Bible.cc/exodus/32-14.htm

Conundrums......
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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SteelHead wrote:[quote="LittleNipper]
Repent can mean REGRET. To regret is not a sin.[/quote]

Repentance @Wikipedia:
Though it includes sorrow and regret, it is more than that.
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It is a change of mind that involves a conscious turning away from wrong actions, attitudes and thoughts that conflict with a Godly lifestyle and biblical commands.
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How does a perfect, all knowing, all powerful being, have a change of plans, and regret his earlier course? http://Bible.cc/exodus/32-14.htm

Conundrums......[/quote][/quote]

God didn't change His course. He allows the Bible to express in human terms "God" in ways that man might comprehend. The Bible is all about the history of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible is demonstrating His Salvation He Perfectly provides through the Perfect Lord Jesus.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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LittleNipper wrote:
SteelHead wrote:[quote="LittleNipper]
Repent can mean REGRET. To regret is not a sin.[/quote]

Repentance @Wikipedia:
Though it includes sorrow and regret, it is more than that.
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It is a change of mind that involves a conscious turning away from wrong actions, attitudes and thoughts that conflict with a Godly lifestyle and biblical commands.
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How does a perfect, all knowing, all powerful being, have a change of plans, and regret his earlier course? http://Bible.cc/exodus/32-14.htm

Conundrums......[/quote][/quote][/quote]
God didn't change His course. He allows the Bible to express in human terms "God" in ways that man might comprehend. The Bible is all about the history of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible is demonstrating His Salvation He Perfectly provides through the Perfect Lord Jesus.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Little Nipper,

SteelHead asks a perfectly logical question, to which you cannot provide a rational answer, so you revert to unfounded dogmatic religionist pronouncements (mumbo jumbo).

I understand that it is really difficult to defend a belief system that is the result of a series of tall tales told and refined over a couple of thousand years. But you are going to have to do better than this.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."

DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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SteelHead wrote:Then he is not omnipotent. The term omnipotent is rife with conundrum.

as if your "rock so heavy" example had not already exposed the inadequacy of your post, you drive it home here.
paradox is a more appropriate term than conundrum.

However, your question is illogical and yet you expect a logical answer.
Truthfully, one could answer "yes" or "no" and it would be a sufficient response.
Either way it reinforces that your post is without a fundamental understanding of God's character or the word omnipotent.
Theologically, the word omnipotence has never meant that God could do anything at all...but anything that is possible.
Your question about the 'heavy rock' is as much nonsense as asking if God could make 2+2=9.

Now, if we are to consider that logic is not a part of God's character, then obviously anything is possible and you have no argument against anything He may or may not be, has done, or can do.
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Re: Are the Laws of Nature Immutable? Or does God get a Pass

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Yes it is the paradox of omnipotence. Now rather than point out the paradox, address it. Then you will have something.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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