bcspace wrote:There's no evidence for that [racism in LDS scripture] whatsoever. For racism to be present, it must be said that black skin is the source of bad things happening or curses etc. Nothing like that is extant in LDS scripture or doctrine past and present.
thews wrote:bcspace, How can you make this argument when there are many passages in LDS doctrine that specifically states black skin is a curse?
bcspace wrote:Notice how quickly the person wishing to argue with me changed the subject and did it twice in on sentence. He switched from 1) scripture to doctrine and 2) racism to black skin being a curse. I won the argument without even having to post a response.
You didn't "win" anything and have failed to answer to question asked... yet again, as it is your objective to distort the truth. You claimed "
it must be said that black skin is the source of bad things happening or curses etc." to which I posted an example of LDS doctrine that specifically defines black/dark skin as a curse by the Mormon God. Your tired ploy of making incorrect statements based on nothing while failing to answer the question asked, is, as I've stated with factual data you failed to address, your motive, which is to post outright lies that have no basis in fact.
To counter your incorrect claims, I offer you the following which are so black and
white and proves you so conclusively wrong you must have some rational explanation for deriving your conclusion... unless... I'm wrong and you are
not a
pathological liar. Please give us you take on the following:
http://mormonthink.com/blackweb.htm Doctrine supported by LDS Scriptures
Scriptures
2 Nephi 5: 21
'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6
'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
2 Nephi 30: 6
"...their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people."
NOTE: THE TERM 'WHITE' WAS CHANGED TO 'PURE' IN 1981.
3 Nephi 2:15
"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."
Jacob 3: 5, 8-9
5 Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father—that they should have save it were one wife, and concubines they should have none, and there should not be whoredoms committed among them.
8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God.
9 Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, which is the word of God, that ye revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins; neither shall ye revile against them because of their filthiness; but ye shall remember your own filthiness, and remember that their filthiness came because of their fathers.
1 Nephi 12:23
23 And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.
1 Nephi 13:15
15 And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain.
Mormon 5:15
15 And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry.
Moses 7:8
8 For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people.
Moses 7:22
And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them.
Still waiting for your response Consig, as you've supposedly concluded that the "curse" of Cain was not based on skin color. Please enlighten me Consig, as I'm absolutely positive bcspace will flee this thread without addressing any of the factual information I've posted.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths