Mittens wrote:Yes and God breathed scripture, not like the man breathed Book of Mormon.
In other words the deciding factor is not temple worship at all.
Mittens wrote:Mormons follow a different Christ then Christians...
I have seriously never understood how people can see this claim as anything other than naïve and juvenile rhetoric.
Gordon B Hinckley was naïve and juvenile?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote:Gordon B Hinckley was naïve and juvenile?
That was a bit of rhetoric on Hinckley's part playing off of the naïve and juvenile sectarianism to which I was referring.
Does the rest of Christianity believe that the God of the Old Testament was the personage known in the New Testament as Jesus Christ?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote:Does the rest of Christianity believe that the God of the Old Testament was the personage known in the New Testament as Jesus Christ?
Well, they believe he is the same being as Jesus Christ, but not the same person. On the other hand, they do believe many of the appearances of God to the Old Testament figures were actually appearances of Jesus Christ. Many argue that the figure of Wisdom in the Old Testament is the person of Jesus of Christ.
Mormons follow a different Christ then Christians...
The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak as been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the matters of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Church News, June 20, 1998, p70)
Mormons also follow a different Jesus than Book of Mormon
Hinckley says Mormons Believe in a Different Jesus
by Matt Slick
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
Christians have long maintained that Mormonism teaches a Jesus that is different from what the Bible reveals. Of course, the Mormons say that they believe in the same Jesus that originally walked on the earth and is revealed in the Bible. Though they may make this claim, it is up to them to prove it--especially in light of what Mormonism says about God and Jesus.
In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and me (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.
Very few, if any, of the 'different' Mormon doctrines are found in their Standard Works: the Bible, The Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. Rather, they are taught by Mormons of high standing: prophets, apostles, members of the 70 Quorum. McConkie, for example, was a member of the 70's Quorum, a very high ranking Mormon, and wrote the book, Mormon Doctrine, from which much of the documentation for this is taken.
President Hinkley, the prophet and revelator of the Mormon church, has publicly declared that the Jesus of Mormonism and traditional Christianity are not the same. Let's take a look at the difference between the Mormon Jesus and the one of Traditional Christianity:
Justice = Getting what you deserve Mercy = Not getting what you deserve Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
maklelan wrote:Well, they believe he is the same being as Jesus Christ, but not the same person. On the other hand, they do believe many of the appearances of God to the Old Testament figures were actually appearances of Jesus Christ. Many argue that the figure of Wisdom in the Old Testament is the person of Jesus of Christ.
But none argue He hung around with Prudence? I never got that one.
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
maklelan, Mormonism does teach that Christ is literally the brother of Satan, right? And that Satan's temptations are an integral part of God's plan of salvation, without which God's plan wouldn't work. Which, by logical process, means Satan should be applauded not hated. If Satan simply downed tools and refused to tempt us then God's plan would fail - which is supposedly what Satan wants to achieve, right?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote:maklelan, Mormonism does teach that Christ is literally the brother of Satan, right?
"Spirit brothers."
Bazooka wrote:And that Satan's temptations are an integral part of God's plan of salvation, without which God's plan wouldn't work.
According to LDS ideology, the plan took into account Satan's participation.
Bazooka wrote:Which, by logical process, means Satan should be applauded not hated.
Do you also applaud school shootings if they manage to bring about new gun control legislation? Because many people think that's the only thing that's going to work to bring about the support that legislation needs. If I make a plan to push for that legislation following school shootings, does it necessitate me applauding the deaths of children?
Bazooka wrote:If Satan simply downed tools and refused to tempt us then God's plan would fail - which is supposedly what Satan wants to achieve, right?
According to LDS ideology, (1) God knows Satan can't help himself, and (2) God could change the plan if it needed to be changed.