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[_maklelan]

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From a Messianic Jew

maklelan sounds like the prophets of Baal who Elijah mocked

*whom

Also, just throwing a weak rhetorical jab doesn't really do anything but show everyone you're miles out of your league.

[_Mittens]

1 Kings 18:25-27 English Standard Version (ESV)

25 Then Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose for yourselves one bull and prepare it first, for you are many, and call upon the name of your god, but put no fire to it.” 26 And they took the bull that was given them, and they prepared it and called upon the name of Baal from morning until noon, saying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no voice, and no one answered. And they limped around the altar that they had made. 27 And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.”

Go relieve yourself MAK

[_maklelan]

1 Kings 18:25-27 English Standard Version (ESV)

25 Then Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose for yourselves one bull and prepare it first, for you are many, and call upon the name of your god, but put no fire to it.” 26 And they took the bull that was given them, and they prepared it and called upon the name of Baal from morning until noon, saying, “O Baal, answer us!” But there was no voice, and no one answered. And they limped around the altar that they had made. 27 And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.”

Go relieve yourself MAK

Again, you're just throwing a weak rhetorical jab.

[_Roger]

Hi Mak:

What do you mean by the term "storm deity"?

[_maklelan]

Hi Mak:

What do you mean by the term "storm deity"?

A storm deity was a specific type of deity that was influential in most of the cultures of the ancient Near East, and particularly where civilization was made possible by regular rain, like Anatolia and Syria-Palestine. The storm deity was responsible for providing fertile lands through rain and sometimes floods. They were characterized as youthful and violent warriors. Their voice was the thunder and lightning, and they rode upon dark clouds to battle. Their pedestal animal was the bull (young, violent, fertile). Here are some examples of Northwest Semitic storm deities in ancient art:



Here the storm deity holds a lightning bolt in one hand and his mace aloft in the other as he strides the waters.



Here the storm deity rides atop the bull and holds lightning bolts at the ready.



Here's the Hittite storm deity Tarhun with an axe and lightning bolts.

A recent publication on the topic is here, but see response papers here and here. YHWH was a stereotypical storm deity, and the primary problem with Baal was that as a storm deity he was basically a Canaanite counterpart to YHWH, and thus competition. For examples of YHWH depicted with storm deity imagery, see, particularly, Ps 18:8-16; 29:3-11; 104:32; in addition to Gen 2:5–6; Lev 26:4; Deut 11:14; 28:12; 1 Kgs 18:1; Isa 30:23; Jer 5:24; 10:13; Zech 10:1; Ps 65:10–11; 68:10; Job 5:10; 37:6; 38:26. I discuss YHWH's conceptualization in the exodus tradition and the links to storm deity imagery in a portion of my thesis you can read here.

[_LittleNipper]

Baal was worshipped through human sacrifice: see http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Baal.html

[_maklelan]

Baal was worshipped through human sacrifice: see http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Baal.html

So was YHWH. In fact, it's one of the commandments in Exodus.

[_Mittens]

How can you take maklelan serious when says YHWH did this in Exodus and then fails to give chapter and verse

[_Mittens]

chapter and verse in Exodus please

[_LittleNipper]

Baal was worshipped through human sacrifice: see http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Baal.html

So was YHWH. In fact, it's one of the commandments in Exodus.

Where is the commandment in Exodus that says to kill your first born and burn the child's body on an alter to YHWH? That was what the worshipper's of Baal did. YHWH wanted the first born dedicated to Him. That is hardly a sacrifice. His yoke is easy and His burden is light.