LittleNipper wrote:huckelberry wrote:Little Nipper has completely committed himself to the theory that God created an imaginary history of the world
complete with ice ages and precambrian sediments in Idaho. It is like a painting, all imaginary. However I notice that he then allowed that the flood left evidence in the real history of changes after creation. It would be reasonable to to look at that actual evidence of flood. I do not what that would be but it sounds like it involves history and not just the pretend history god is fooling us with.
Actually, the evolutionist and the uniformitarian creates an imaginary history of the world excluding GOD. The uniformitarian must presume the half-life of various metals and minerals. He cannot know with total certainty that the Creator did not create these various forms with or without the radiation levels He desired for HIS purpose. Again, it is also logical that the Flood may have tipped the scales with regards to filtering various isotopes, etc., through various formations ---- especially if one is prone to ignore the possibility of even the Flood.
Hi NIpper, I was speaking of an imaginary history because that is how I understood your comments about God creating a finished product like painting a picture of a tree. I believed you meant that things look old because God created them with that appearance.
LittleNipper wrote:There is no actual way to determine the age of the earth, because Christ created it as a finished ecological system. Not to mention that it went through judgment. What does that mean? It means that in order to make a universe that represented His attributes and one ready for life. God worked fast according to his revelation. 6 days is hardly slow but it did provide us with the perfect illustration of the classic work week. We have had 7 day weeks since the Creation. And what artist grows a tree in his painting. He creates the mature trees and the saplings, as the artist sees fit. And the Flood inevitably left scars on God's creation. The ONLY reason to even presume the billions of unwitnessed years is because the theorist excludes GOD from his equation. Anyone who believes in God must realize that God can do anything as slowly or as quickly as He aspires. If indeed "aspire" can be even applied towards God. So, let's just say PLANS.
You see in the appearance of age of the earth there is a story. One can see a sequence of events. Say along the east side of the Wallowa mountain in eastern Oregon, many layers of basalt lava have been raised up to a 9500 fr escarpment. There are u shaped valleys running to the east now filled with soil trees and small streams. This picture shows a series of events one after the other. For the lava to flow out in many layers would be on relatively level ground and to build up thousands of feet is something which happens one layer at a time. There are soils collected between layers so significant time elapses between layers. It is a subsequent event that this level ground was raised up. Then it was high enough to start the glaciers that cut the u shaped valleys. Then the glaciers melted, soils developed and trees started to grows. This is a history a series of events in the past you can see now.
Now I have no concern for radioactive decay . I have no instruments to measure such things. All of my geology is done with a pair of leather boots. That shows that I am no expert but it also shows that I take a show me approach to such things.
Now when you said God created things in their current form I thought you meant that he shaped things along the eastern Wallowa front as if these events actually happened. I understood you to mean that God gave them the form and substance they would have if the events had happened but it was just in the imagination of God the artist who created them all at once looking old is if they had a history.
As for myself I am so curious about the history or story portrayed in God's creation that I cannot imagine it is not real. I read it as a reminder of Gods love for us. Though I do not believe it, I think the proposal you pointed to, God created things as if they were already many millions years old, is the most logical way by far of understanding young earth creation. For myself I will go fishing this weekend and remember Mclean's good minister dad stating something like this, "There are million year old sands in the rocks in this river but beneath the sands are always the words of God."
And listening to those words I will remember not to worry so much about where you and I disagree but will wish you and your faith in Christ well.
Perhaps I provoked it?
