Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Is Director equal to Executive Director?

- Doc

Looks like different roles: https://cullinanelaw.com/nonprofit-boar ... -director/

“The executive director hires, supervises, and motivates the staff of the nonprofit.”

Lol.

- Doc

[pistolero]

She is listed as a Director on the 2011 Form-990 (the first available year), pg. 12/13.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprof ... 0EZ_201112

Is Director equal to Executive Director?

- Doc

The President (Joanna), is the top honcho? Oversees, directs and supervises staff. JD and Rosebud are on the board. As Executive Director, JD answers to the board.

But was Rosebud acting as a board member/director when she was running her Open Wagons thing? Or was she a board member as well as doing some work on the side? Does this different even matter?

[pistolero]

Looks like different roles: https://cullinanelaw.com/nonprofit-boar ... -director/

“The executive director hires, supervises, and motivates the staff of the nonprofit.”

Lol.

- Doc

So I'm reading this page: https://study.com/articles/executive_di ... rofit.html

Which is confusing, because Exec Director and President seem to have some overlap with staff.

[The Stig]

“The executive director hires, supervises, and motivates the staff of the nonprofit.”

Lol.

- Doc

So I'm reading this page: https://study.com/articles/executive_di ... rofit.html

Which is confusing, because Exec Director and President seem to have some overlap with staff.

I believe the President oversees and leads the Board, as a body. The Executive Director oversees the day-to-day operations of the entity. The Executive Director answers to the Board.

[pistolero]

So I'm reading this page: https://study.com/articles/executive_di ... rofit.html

Which is confusing, because Exec Director and President seem to have some overlap with staff.

I believe the President oversees and leads the Board, as a body. The Executive Director oversees the day-to-day operations of the entity. The Executive Director answers to the Board.

Yes, but this seems confusing as to who supervises staff ultimately, unless I don't understand the different between staff and a staff member? Which I don't.

Executive Director in a Nonprofit:

• Direct and supervise staff members

President in a Nonprofit:

• Directs and monitors staff

Also, it seems clear that JD should have been paying Joanna a whole lot more cash than he was.

[The Stig]

I believe the President oversees and leads the Board, as a body. The Executive Director oversees the day-to-day operations of the entity. The Executive Director answers to the Board.

Yes, but this seems confusing as to who supervises staff ultimately, unless I don't understand the different between staff and a staff member? Which I don't.

Executive Director in a Nonprofit:

• Direct and supervise staff members

President in a Nonprofit:

• Directs and monitors staff

Also, it seems clear that John Dehlin should have been paying Joanna a whole lot more cash than he was.

Yeah, that is confusing. In my experience, the President of the Board has very little interaction with the day-to-day operations and staff, but I have a limited sample size.

[Dwight]

I also feel that the Open Stories Foundation sexual harassment policy is not a mea culpa some feel it is. Also that the board resigned. I think an honest explanation is nobody thought this would happen or wanted to be involved in this kind of muck and they wanted to set a high standard and tone going forward. Maybe they would have acted differently with hindsight, but I just don’t see any reason to throw them under the bus for JD and Rosebud. They both obfuscated and said stupid things to shoot their case in the foot, but it’s really unfair to judge them on what we know now almost ten years after the fact and there are still large questions unanswered. The board, particularly Joanna, has a track history that we can reference and JD and Rosebud do too.

Again having a clear sexual harassment policy is table stakes now and should have been, but it wasn’t.

[consiglieri]

BUT, at the end of the day there was a definite power differential, there was a quid pro quo arrangement, and John Dehlin got rid of her not for job-performance issues, but because she broke their quid pro quo arrangement. That’s on him.

And we can extrapolate from this that John has not been fully truthful when he has repeatedly called these allegations "baseless."

That conclusion strikes me as a wee bit hasty.

What allegations specifically did JD call baseless and where?

Show us your work.

You are too quick to pull the gallows trap door lever.

[jpatterson]

As to the message you quoted, Mr. Dehlin will have to speak for himself. I have no interest in defending him. But I suggest you make sure you have your facts straight before you make your accusations. You're not helping your own credibility.

If you want to get snippy and technical, be my guest. I misspoke when I said "tax" documents, I meant public documents.

Technically, John founded Open Stories Foundation by himself, because he intentionally incorporated it in Arizona, a state that requires only one director to incorporate. This is confirmed by the Open Stories Foundation articles of incorporation, filed in February of 2010. Again, John is listed as the only officer/director.

Later, Open Stories Foundation submitted articles of amendment which expanded the board to the following individuals:

John Dehlin
Jacqueline McArther
Ashley Merback
Elizabeth Calvert Smith
Ryan Millecam

You can either point to just John, or the five listed above as the "founding board."

Bottom line, no matter what hairs you split, Rosebud was absolutely not a founding board member and John knows this.

[jpatterson]

That conclusion strikes me as a wee bit hasty.

What allegations specifically did John Dehlin call baseless and where?

Show us your work.

You are too quick to pull the gallows trap door lever.

This is like arguing with Bill Clinton over the definition of "is" or Dan Peterson over the definition of a horse or steel.

I have no desire to play these games that you and John are using to escape accountability.