Bible verse by verse

[_LittleNipper]

There are very learned professors who can read ancient Hebrew.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Some of them regularly contribute to this forum.

And since you are not willing to accept their learned opinions...

That's not the case at all and you know it, Nipper.

...I cannot help but imagine anyone in disagreement with your values would not be simply ignored or slighted.

That's not true, either. False and erroneous statements like these are the reason why more than a few around here consider you to be less than completely forthright.

You disagree with me and the statements. That doesn't make them erroneous. I believe in a young earth. I believe that the entire universe was created and done in 6 days. I believe David killed Goliath and another man killed the brother of Goliath. I believe that ancient Chinese picture writing contains representations that seem to have been influences in antiquity by the Flood. You clearly don't. I do try to show respect to both you and Mak, but such needs to be reciprocated if you really are sincerely seeking truth. The truth isn't always a simple road appreciated by all.

[_LittleNipper]

Also view this from the UK: http://www.ukapologetics.net/13/goliath.htm

Please see this from right here on the WWW: http://www.atheistmemebase.com/

And this from the same place: http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php

I find the graphics belittling and insulting to start with. I also find that atheists only believe in a open education that includes their insights but excludes those of believers. They hate home schooling for obvious reasons. Yet, they have not proven that an absence of religious consideration has improved public education or encouraged students to be deep thinkers. If they were not so intent in trying to prove God does not exists, they might just be worthy of consideration. It must be remembered that Christians allowed "freethinkers" to come into Christian institutions to provide open discussion and less restricted research. The reverse has never been the case.

[Guest]

I believe in a young earth.

I don't disagree that you and people like you harbor a belief in a young Earth.

I believe that the entire universe was created and done in 6 days.

I don't disagree that you and people like you harbor a belief that the universe was created in 6 days.

I believe David killed Goliath and another man killed the brother of Goliath.I believe David killed Goliath and another man killed the brother of Goliath.

I don't disagree that you and people like you harbor a belief that David killed Goliath.

I believe that ancient Chinese picture writing contains representations that seem to have been influences in antiquity by the Flood.

I don't disagree that you and people like you harbor a belief that Chinese ideograms support a literal interpretation of the Bible.

I don't disagree with you when you proclaim a belief in any of these things. However, I take issue with you when you misrepresent your beliefs as facts.

I do try to show respect to both you and Mak...

Nope--respect requires a certain degree of honesty and openness.

...but such needs to be reciprocated if you really are sincerely seeking truth.

Agreed, but you're not really here to seek truth, are you?

The truth isn't always a simple road appreciated by all.

See above.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I find the graphics belittling and insulting to start with.

Fair enough.

I also find that atheists only believe in a open education that includes their insights but excludes those of believers.

This is an example of how you habitually misrepresent your personal beliefs as facts.

They hate home schooling for obvious reasons.

See above.

Yet, they have not proven that an absence of religious consideration has improved public education or encouraged students to be deep thinkers.

See above.

If they were not so intent in trying to prove God does not exists, they might just be worthy of consideration.

See above.

It must be remembered that Christians allowed "freethinkers" to come into Christian institutions to provide open discussion and less restricted research. The reverse has never been the case.

See above.

[_LittleNipper]

I find the graphics belittling and insulting to start with.

Fair enough.

I also find that atheists only believe in a open education that includes their insights but excludes those of believers.

This is an example of how you habitually misrepresent your personal beliefs as facts.

They hate home schooling for obvious reasons.

See above.

Yet, they have not proven that an absence of religious consideration has improved public education or encouraged students to be deep thinkers.

See above.

If they were not so intent in trying to prove God does not exists, they might just be worthy of consideration.

See above.

It must be remembered that Christians allowed "freethinkers" to come into Christian institutions to provide open discussion and less restricted research. The reverse has never been the case.

See above.

Is the Bible and Creation openly talked about in Public schools? I think not. And it isn't because a 200+ year old document forbade it. You habitually don't see the obvious. Most unsaved cannot unless they are on the verge of acceptance or total rejection...

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Is the Bible and Creation openly talked about in Public schools? I think not.

It most certainly is, Nipper. To say otherwise is to be grossly misinformed or less than honest.

And it isn't because a 200+ year old document forbade it.

Again, to say that it's forbidden to discuss the Bible and Creationism in public schools is simply false. (What part of the world do you live in? North Korea?)

You habitually don't see the obvious.

Which obvious things do I miss? And what exactly makes them obvious?

Most unsaved cannot unless they are on the verge of acceptance or total rejection...

There you go again, misrepresenting your personal beliefs as facts. Are all Fundies as disingenuous as you are?

[_LittleNipper]

Coming from a grossly uninformed individual...

Please see the following: http://insider.foxnews.com/2013/05/26/s ... ht-schools

Please see this where teaching Creationism in Texas Charter schools is being touted (by some) as a danger to the future of Charter education: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ement.html

Creationism banned from UK schools: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 29693.html

What does Wikipedia have to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_a ... _education

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Please see the following: http://insider.foxnews.com/2013/05/26/s ... ht-schools

Nipper, if you're going to post a link to an article, you need to actually READ the article you've linked to. Because there's nothing in this article that says it's forbidden to discuss Creationism in a public school.

Coming from a grossly uninformed individual...

Exactly, which is why you need to actually READ the news items you link to, otherwise you end up being grossly uninformed.

Please see the following: http://insider.foxnews.com/2013/05/26/s ... ht-schools

See above.

Please see this where teaching Creationism in Texas Charter schools is being touted (by some) as a danger to the future of Charter education: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ement.html

See above.

Creationism banned from UK schools: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 29693.html

See above.

What does Wikipedia have to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_a ... _education

See above.

[_LittleNipper]

Please see the following: http://insider.foxnews.com/2013/05/26/s ... ht-schools

Nipper, if you're going to post a link to an article, you need to actually READ the article you've linked to. Because there's nothing in this article that says it's forbidden to discuss Creationism in a public school.

Coming from a grossly uninformed individual...

Exactly, which is why you need to actually READ the news items you link to, otherwise you end up being grossly uninformed.

Please see the following: http://insider.foxnews.com/2013/05/26/s ... ht-schools

See above.

Please see this where teaching Creationism in Texas Charter schools is being touted (by some) as a danger to the future of Charter education: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ement.html

See above.

Creationism banned from UK schools: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/2 ... 29693.html

See above.

What does Wikipedia have to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_a ... _education

See above.

You obviously didn't click on the video taped clip where the priest was... But the point is MOST obvious. Even you should finally get it!

[Guest]

2 Chronicles 5:1-14 The work was completed on The Temple of God. Solomon brought in the holy offerings of his father David, the silver and the gold and the vessels ----placing them all in the treasury of God’s Temple.
Bringing all this to a climax, Solomon had the leaders gather in Jerusalem—all the chiefs of tribes and the family patriarchs—to move the Ark of the Covenant of God from Zion and install it in The Temple. All the men of Israel assembled before the king on the feast day of the 7th month, the Feast of Booths. When all the leaders of Israel were ready, the Levites lifted the Ark. They carried this, the Tent of Meeting, and all the sacred items in the Tent used in worship. The priests, all Levites, carried them. King Solomon and the entire congregation of Israel were there before the Ark, worshiping and sacrificing innumerable amounts of sheep and cattle.

The priests brought the Ark to its place in the Inner Sanctuary, the Holy of Holies, under the wings of the cherubim. The outspread wings of the cherubim formed a canopy over the Chest along with its carrying poles. The ends of the poles were so long that they stuck out from the entrance of the Inner Sanctuary, but were not noticeable further out. In the Ark were the two stone tablets that Moses had placed in it at Horeb where God made a covenant with Israel after bringing them up from Egypt.

The priests departed the Holy Place. All the priests there were consecrated, regardless of rank or assignment; and all the Levites who were musicians were there—Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun, and their families, dressed in their worship robes; the choir and orchestra assembled on the east side of the Altar and were joined by 120 priests blowing trumpets. The choir and trumpets made one voice of praise and thanks to God—orchestra and choir in perfect harmony singing and playing praise to God:
Yes! God is good!
His loyal love goes on forever!

A cloud filled The Temple of God. The priests couldn’t even carry out their duties because of the cloud—the glory of God!—that filled The Temple of God.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And all the work that Solomon made for the house of Jehovah is finished, and Solomon bringeth in the sanctified things of David his father, and the silver, and the gold, and all the vessels he hath put among the treasures of the house of God.

2 Then doth Solomon assemble the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, princes of the fathers of the sons of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of Jehovah from the city of David -- it [is] Zion.

3 And assembled unto the king are all the men of Israel in the feast -- it [is] the seventh month;

4 and all the elders of Israel come in, and the Levites lift up the ark,

5 and they bring up the ark, and the tent of meeting, and all the vessels of the sanctuary that [are] in the tent; brought them up have the priests, the Levites;

6 and king Solomon and all the company of Israel who are convened unto him before the ark are sacrificing sheep and oxen, that are not counted nor numbered from multitude.

7 And the priests bring in the ark of the covenant of Jehovah unto its place, unto the oracle of the house, unto the holy of holies, unto the place of the wings of the cherubs;

8 and the cherubs are spreading out wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubs cover over the ark, and over its staves, from above;

9 and they lengthen the staves, and the heads of the staves are seen out of the ark on the front of the oracle, and they are not seen without; and it is there unto this day.

10 There is nothing in the ark but the two tables that Moses gave in Horeb, where Jehovah covenanted with the sons of Israel, in their going out from Egypt.

11 And it cometh to pass, in the going out of the priests from the sanctuary -- for all the priests who are present have sanctified themselves, there is none to watch by courses,

12 and the Levites, the singers, to all of them, to Asaph, to Heman, to Jeduthun, and to their sons, and to their brethren, clothed in white linen, with cymbals, and with psalteries, and harps, are standing on the east of the altar, and with them priests, to a hundred and twenty, blowing with trumpets --

13 yea, it cometh to pass, as one [are] trumpeters and singers, to sound -- one voice -- to praise and to give thanks to Jehovah, and at the lifting up of the sound with trumpets, and with cymbals, and with instruments of song, and at giving praise to Jehovah, for good, for to the age [is] His kindness, that the house is filled with a cloud -- the house of Jehovah,

14 and the priests have not been able to stand to minister from the presence of the cloud, for the honour of Jehovah hath filled the house of God.