Is our understanding of The Trinity and Godhead correct?

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Re: Is our understanding of The Trinity and Godhead correct?

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:Q: What's a giraffe?
A: A horse designed by a committee.

Q: What's the Trinity?
A: A god designed by a committee.


chuckle,but of course a giraffe is true to its own nature which is also true of the Trinity.
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huckelberry wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:Q: What's a giraffe?
A: A horse designed by a committee.

Q: What's the Trinity?
A: A god designed by a committee.
chuckle,but of course a giraffe is true to its own nature which is also true of the Trinity.

Is a giraffe true ?

The Transylvanian man (Székely, You know, they are smart, impish, outspoken), is standing in the zoo before the giraffe and says:
- No. There is no such animal.

OK, this is a joke only, but it shows that even one can doubt things which are viewable, touchable.

Trueness of Trinity? We have only obscure opinions, similar to the words of Tertullian: credo quia absurdum est... (or prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est).

by the way something off but fits here
Why was Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus anglicized as Tertullian?
Why was Marcus Antonius anglicized as Mark Antony?
... while nobody calls Gaius Julius Caesar as July, and Marcus Junius Brutus as Brute ...
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http://books.google.com/books?id=2i7peI ... =html_text

Thorwald's book. In page 7 he claims to be the only person ever to inquire of god via prayer about the true nature of the trinity. It is actually god the father, lord god the son, his son Jesus, and the holy ghost, so 4 gods.. Why do I see the specter of Brigham Young laughing?
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SteelHead wrote:http://books.google.com/books?id=2i7peIQrUt8C&pg=PA7&lpg=PA71&ots=P5QXHDZDd-&focus=viewport&dq=black+lights+%26+burnt+candles&output=html_text

Thorwald's book. In page 7 he claims to be the only person ever to inquire of god via prayer about the true nature of the trinity. It is actually god the father, lord god the son, his son Jesus, and the holy ghost, so 4 gods.. Why do I see the specter of Brigham Young laughing?


Sorry...that might have been me you heard....
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SteelHead wrote:http://books.google.com/books?id=2i7peIQrUt8C&pg=PA7&lpg=PA71&ots=P5QXHDZDd-&focus=viewport&dq=black+lights+%26+burnt+candles&output=html_text

Thorwald's book. In page 7 he claims to be the only person ever to inquire of god via prayer about the true nature of the trinity. It is actually god the father, lord god the son, his son Jesus, and the holy ghost, so 4 gods.. Why do I see the specter of Brigham Young laughing?

So which one did Moses and Adam talk with?
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ludwigm wrote:Is a giraffe true ?

The Transylvanian man (Székely, You know, they are smart, impish, outspoken), is standing in the zoo before the giraffe and says:
- No. There is no such animal.

OK, this is a joke only, but it shows that even one can doubt things which are viewable, touchable.

Trueness of Trinity? We have only obscure opinions, similar to the words of Tertullian: credo quia absurdum est... (or prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est).

by the way something off but fits here
Why was Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus anglicized as Tertullian?
Why was Marcus Antonius anglicized as Mark Antony?
... while nobody calls Gaius Julius Caesar as July, and Marcus Junius Brutus as Brute ...


I am a supporter of giraffes being free to fullfill their own nature. I would not wish that desire to block individuals from being impish and outspoken. But do we have to listen to all? I do not wish to listen to Tertullian, his audience could be profitably limited to camels. There is a camel twenty miles up the road from me who appears lonely.

Your English question is beyond my history of English knowlege. Funny though.
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GrandMoffTarkin wrote:It's hard to understand something that was made up and then written about by numerous people. George Lucas can't even keep the concept of the Force consistent even though he wrote all of the movies himself. Imagine if every movie was written by a different person...

Christianity is a very old and long fictional story with many parts, and therefore, as with all long fictional stories divided into parts (prequels, sequels, etc.), it is full of retcon...

You're wasting your time


You believe that I am 'wasting my time'. God doesn't think so. I am doing what He asked me to do.
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subgenius wrote:
Thorwald wrote:...(snip)...It appears to me, that the 'Trinity' does not include Jesus [The Lord of Hosts] (the first born of all creation). It appears, that the SON of the Trinity, is in fact, The Lord God Almighty.

Does any of the above, make sense to you??????

Your conclusion is unfounded and therefore 'senseless' to you.
Your first mistake is thinking/believing that there is a Trinity at all.


The 'TRINITY' [Father, Son and Holy Ghost] is scriptural. The big question, is, "Who is 'The Son' of this trinity?" Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35). Isaiah 44:6 states that 'God' is made up of only TWO persons/figures [The Godhead]. John 5:37 states that there is a 'Father' who cannot be seen by ANY man, nor has His voice EVER been heard by ANY man. Revelation 1:6 states that God HAS A FATHER. In Mark 1:11, Jesus and His disciples heard a voice from heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Who spoke these words? John sees The Lord God Almighty and Jesus in Revelation chapters 4 and 5. Stephen sees Jesus standing on the right hand of God (Acts 7:55-56). 'Connect the dots.'
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Connect the dots? Is the assumption that the scripture can not be broken, which i am thinking is a way of saying can not contradict itself, true? Where is this established? Which translation does it apply to, and what does it mean contextually? Does it cover the whole Bible as existant today, as the Bible as existant totday didn't exist when this pronouncement was given? Does it cover the verses in the gospels that are later additions?

Example

Geneisis 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.


Which member of the godhead did he see and wrestle with?
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