Maksutov wrote:Well, that takes care of the gays. Now what are we going to do about those dern feminists and intellectuals? If there are any left...
Especially intellectuals. They want to think on their own, they question the dogmas, they want to know the details (in them is the devil, fyi), they make theories (that most of dummels call hypothesis or guess). Intellectuals are more dangerous than gays. Anyways, for a religion which is bleeding from more than seven wounds, every deviation is dangerous.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Welp. That's what SLC gets for electing an openly lesbian mayor! And also being the 7th gayest city in the union.
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
The rigid views of the church have given way to a more flexible system of believing among Cafeteria & NOM's, embraced by the younger generation, and fueled by the internet; and their influence is spreading. This is LDS Inc striking back.
The hierarchy is drawing this line to weed out problem members from within. Just look at the type of Mormons who are leaving the church over this. It's not the fully-active, loyal, tithe-paying calling-holders. It's the dissenters and skeptics, the fence-sitters, the liberals, and free-thinkers. What we're seeing is a tactic to separate, from the church's pov, the good apples from the bad ones. This is about cleaning house and maintaining control.
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Note to Moksha: You are wasting good material on this board and it has to stop.
You are right, just one more to help taper off.
If Missouri does indeed forfeit the game with BYU due to all Missouri football players being on strike, Missouri will have to pay BYU $1 million dollars. Not wanting to take advantage of this situation, BYU has offered Missouri a payment alternative if Missouri agrees to discriminate against Gays and their children.
Now think of this as a diet where you refrain from eating broken glass.
It will be hard, but if I mess up at least no one will notice.
just me wrote:Honestly, I believe the church calculated potential lost tithing revenue and figured it won't be significant. Why should they care if non-tithers leave?
Bingo.
Many likely won't remove their names from the records, yet like all never-attending-members, they will be counted among the 15 million "strong" membership.
This keeps the chicken crap members thinking that most did not leave and these sheep will
KEEP PAYING TITHING.
And
LDS Inc keeps growing a teensy bit each year.
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LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV) – A day after the release of a controversial new policy from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, News 3 spoke exclusively to the man who first obtained the documents that started the firestorm on social media.
Speaking exclusively to News 3 from his home in Logan, Utah, John Dehlin confirms the Mormon policy naming gay couples as "Apostates" and barring their children from baptism, was not meant to be public knowledge.
The policy was quietly inserted in leadership manuals for high ranking men who lead the church. Sources inside the church saw the documents ended up in Dehlin's hands.
So, Church Leaders intentionally operate in secret and behind members backs. That's not new news to most, but to see such a clearly evidenced example is quite startling.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
I have a question wrote:From PP's thread on Church Insider.
LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV) – A day after the release of a controversial new policy from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, News 3 spoke exclusively to the man who first obtained the documents that started the firestorm on social media.
Speaking exclusively to News 3 from his home in Logan, Utah, John Dehlin confirms the Mormon policy naming gay couples as "Apostates" and barring their children from baptism, was not meant to be public knowledge.
The policy was quietly inserted in leadership manuals for high ranking men who lead the church. Sources inside the church saw the documents ended up in Dehlin's hands.
So, Church Leaders intentionally operate in secret and behind members backs. That's not new news to most, but to see such a clearly evidenced example is quite startling.
Even ex'd, JD remains a force to be reckoned with by the LDS Church. If JD's channels remain intact, he may be more corrosive to the LDS Church now that he's on the outside. Let the witch hunt begin for the FP/12 try to find who JD's inside sources are.
I find it hard to believe that none of the FP/12 doubt the wisdom of this change in policy, at least privately. I would not be terribly surprised if it eventually results in even one or more from that elite group defecting over this.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Gunnar wrote:I find it hard to believe that none of the FP/12 doubt the wisdom of this change in policy, at least privately. I would not be terribly surprised if it eventually results in even one or more from that elite group defecting over this.
You have the much confidence that any of those sell-outs have that much integrity remaining?
Gunnar wrote:I find it hard to believe that none of the FP/12 doubt the wisdom of this change in policy, at least privately. I would not be terribly surprised if it eventually results in even one or more from that elite group defecting over this.
But they first doubted their doubts. This only got put in place once unanimous approval was received from the Q12 and FP. They all voted it in.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
