Exactly. No one should be in a panic over this issue.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
I have a question wrote:What a completely insensitive and thoughtless thing to say. People are contemplating suicide because of how this policy makes them feel about themselves and you compare that to Winnie the Pooh.
This should not be something that people should contemplate suicide about. And it is unfortunate if they do contemplate suicide over such an issue. In fact, if I felt the LDS church did not welcome me because of a recent policy, I would leave and celebrate my freedom. This would be a healthy response. Of course, those who are contemplating suicide over this issue need help fast. But we do need to put life into perspective and not let any organization or person cause someone to kill themselves.
Yet over on a different thread you said...
why me wrote:One should not resign one's church membership based on a single policy. It would be like resigning from the catholic church due to the church's policy toward transgendered people. It wouldn't make sense.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
why me wrote: I think that former members are quick to react to such things because of their former testimony. They seem to need to drown their former testimony and look for means to do so. And many marginal members look for reasons to join the ranks of former members and this overreaction would be a reason to do so.
But such hostility, I believe, comes from having a testimony at one time of the church.
And how would you explain never-Mormons, like me, who has no "former testimony" - who has "no need to drown a former testimony and look for a means to do so" - Who is not a "marginal member who is looking for reasons to join the ranks of former members".
I have "no hostility that comes from having a testimony at one time of the church."
Wait. Are you an active member? Do you pay tithing and fast offerings? Did you serve a mission? Are you temple married?
I must be misremembering, because I thought you were an apostate that also believes in the Catholic church. I could be wrong, though.
- Doc
Not really. But then again I don't have a gripe with the LDS church. I think that former members are quick to react to such things because of their former testimony. They seem to need to drown their former testimony and look for means to do so. And many marginal members look for reasons to join the ranks of former members and this overreaction would be a reason to do so.
But such hostility, I believe, comes from having a testimony at one time of the church.
Wait. You defend a church you don't have a testimony of? You're straight up an apostate/heretic and you're defending the church?
This is the most bizarre MDB position I've seen. It's akin to a socialist Democrat defending a free-market Republican because he doesn't think the Republican's position is a big deal.
I thought you were an idiot yesterday, and that you couldn't possibly post something more misinformed and stupid over yesterday's posts... And yet, here we are today. You just posted something dumber. At this point I'm not sure how you even breathe without choking on your own tongue.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I have berated myself for allowing yet another thread to become about why me, rather than the subject matter of the OP. I shan't make that mistake again.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
I had a conversation about this damage control this morning. Both of us suppose that this has to do with some instances of overreach with regard to this policy. Someone was told not to return to BYU next semester over this, despite the fact that the policy says nothing about this disqualifying anyone from enrollment at BYU. We have also heard of people being sent home from their missions over this. Some of this stuff may be untrue, but if even a small portion of it is, the leaders of the Church would probably feel it necessary to stop these instances of overreach from multiplying. After all, they have done enough damage as it is.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
I have a question wrote:I have berated myself for allowing yet another thread to become about why me, rather than the subject matter of the OP. I shan't make that mistake again.
Kishkumen wrote:I had a conversation about this damage control this morning. Both of us suppose that this has to do with some instances of overreach with regard to this policy. Someone was told not to return to BYU next semester over this, despite the fact that the policy says nothing about this disqualifying anyone from enrollment at BYU. We have also heard of people being sent home from their missions over this. Some of this stuff may be untrue, but if even a small portion of it is, the leaders of the Church would probably feel it necessary to stop these instances of overreach from multiplying. After all, they have done enough damage as it is.
House of Order, effective immediately, The Brethren have spoken ... Get er Done.
I have a question wrote:Do they really need to clarify that clarification? I think Christofferson did his bit, clarified and removed doubt about the new policy. It's not being unclear about the policy that is the problem. The problem is that the policy is abundantly clear and people don't agree with it. At all. And they are expressing themselves by voting with their feet.
It could be that they are completely misinterpreting the reaction and think people just aren't understanding the policy. It would be humorous if they clarified it further by saying, "Apparently people are still confused by the new policy, so let me clarify it further. WE. HATE. GAY. PEOPLE. There, is that clear enough for everyone?"
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775