Why humans are born handicapped and minorities

[_Amore]

Subgenius, perhaps this will help:

John 9:2-5 The Message Bible
True Blindness

9 1-2 Walking down the street, Jesus saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked, “Rabbi, who sinned: this man or his parents, causing him to be born blind?”

3-5 Jesus said, “You’re asking the wrong question. You’re looking for someone to blame. There is no such cause-effect here. Look instead for what God can do.

I do believe there is a "cause and effect" always - but we just are usually clueless about both.
I believe that water meets its own level and similar or complimentary energies meet up. I don't believe that people who go through living hell are paying for past issues, but I do believe that maybe energetically speaking, each of us fits or needs certain situations.

[_Amore]

Is this quote by Lee not a bit out of context? I mean, during conference when he stated this he initiates the thought with James 5:28-29 - whereas we see that the condition of our next life is influenced by the actions/choices of this life...and therefore, as he reasons, the conditions for this life must be influenced by the actions/choices of our previous life.
When we read John 9:2, we understand this "reasoning" from Christ's Apostles ("And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?")...
However, Christ responds with the notion that there is a purpose for the blindness, and that it is not a punishment...but an opportunity.
Now is President Lee reasoning that this opportunity is some sort of Divine collusion? Are two righteous spirits taking part i n some sort of confidence game to bolster Christ's "healing power"?...or is Christ actually "healing"?
Is it not possible that, given Mormon doctrine, that a less than righteous spirit occupies a less than righteous body merely to advance in this life? That, given the fact that we are not perfect, that our obstacles and challenges are according to our own needs?

I mean, on the surface, President Lee's statement is certainly abrasive and offends the temporal sensibilities of the weak minded. But, given what Christ has taught, how suffering is regarded in the Gospel, and the Doctrine of pre-existence his statement here is actually much deeper in its resolution.

Or is it your contention that "handicap" people and "minorities" are merely God's object lessons for the able-bodied and majority?...at which case you may be even more bigoted than your alleged notion of Lee. If you contend to interpret John 9:3 as "them people" are put here for our purpose to learn about God, so that Jesus would have some props to perform with - then you certainly have that big log in your eye my friend.

I agree with you for the most part, but of course, I acknowledge we're all speculating.

The other day, I had a friendly debate with my older cousin, who was suggesting that ideally, anyone who had a disability or any condition that would create more people with disabilities, should not be allowed to have children. I argued that..
1) that would prevent many from having children, since many have some type of disability (vision, health)...
2) in my opinion the spiritual monetary system is love. People who have disabilities require extra love, which increases spiritual capital.

As implied, there is opportunity, often more profound in opposition than when things are smooth sailing.

[_ludwigm]

You realize that the mark of Cain doctrine was not exclusive to the Mormon church right?

Excellent point. The Curse of Cain was something cobbled together by some Protestant Ministers to justify and absolve the abomination of slavery. Imagine how ungodly it was for humans to bind and sell their fellow being for some gold shekels. It made a mockery of the gift of life God has given us.

Shame on us for going along with it and adding to it even more curse variations. No more excuses. It was terrible and thank goodness we are done with it.

Are we done with slavery? Maybe. If we don't count cheap work of immigrants.

Are we done with Curse of Cain? Maybe. If we don't count this:

A white mother in Ohio is suing a sperm bank for accidentally giving her African-American sperm, which led to her having an African-American baby.

According to the Chicago Tribune, Jennifer Cramblett filed a lawsuit in Illinois’ Cook County Circuit Court alleging that Midwest Sperm Bank gave her, a white woman, the wrong sperm, mistaking a black donor for a white donor. She and her white girlfriend, Amanda Zinkon, had requested Caucasian sperm. Cramblett says she discovered the mistake when she and her partner requested another few vials of same donor sperm to have another child.

Now Cramblett is suing the Sperm Bank for “wrongful birth and breach of warranty, citing the emotional and economic losses she has suffered.” She says the mix-up happened because Midwest keeps handwritten instead of electronic patient notes and information can be misread. From the lawsuit:

"On August 21, 2012, Jennifer gave birth to Payton, a beautiful, obviously mixed-race baby girl," the lawsuit states. "Jennifer bonded with Payton easily and she and Amanda love her very much. Even so, Jennifer lives each day with fears, anxieties and uncertainty about her future and Payton's future."

Raising a mixed-race daughter has been stressful in Cramblett and Zinkon's small, all-white community, according to the suit. Cramblett was raised around people with stereotypical attitudes about nonwhites, the lawsuit states, and did not know African-Americans until she attended college at the University of Akron.

http://jezebel.com/white-mom-accidental ... 1641191493
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[_Mittens]

"Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. a Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity. but think of the mercy of god to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn't the mercy of God marvelous?

Think of the Negro, cursed as to the priesthood... This Negro, who in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa--if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincerer faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessing of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory. (Race Problems--As They Affect The Church, An address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College level; Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954.)

[_The CCC]

"Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. a Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity. but think of the mercy of god to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn't the mercy of God marvelous?

Think of the Negro, cursed as to the priesthood... This Negro, who in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa--if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincerer faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessing of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory. (Race Problems--As They Affect The Church, An address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College level; Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954.)

How about something more up to date like...
SEE http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/race-church

[_Mittens]

If Mormonism was from an omniscient God it wouldn't need updated that's why Mormonism needs updated . Do evangelic religions needs to do that

[_The CCC]

If Mormonism was from an omniscient God it wouldn't need updated that's why Mormonism needs updated . Do evangelic religions needs to do that

God is omniscient. Us mortals aren't. The LDS have an Article of Faith that demands more knowledge and correction from God. To the best of my knowledge evangelical Christians have a closed canon. You'll have to ask them how they update their faith.

[_Mittens]

If Mormonism was from an omniscient God it wouldn't need updated that's why Mormonism needs updated . Do evangelic religions needs to do that

God is omniscient. Us mortals aren't. The LDS have an Article of Faith that demands more knowledge and correction from God. To the best of my knowledge evangelical Christians have a closed canon. You'll have to ask them how they update their faith.

The Mormon topical guide uses John 9:2

https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/tg/man-a ... f?lang=eng

[_The CCC]

Not sure how that responds to how us mortals are not omniscient.

[_Mittens]

In Mormonism God isn't omniscient

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

"Jan 7-8, 1960 - First Presidency decides that Bruce R. McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine “must not be re-published, as it is full of errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation.” They are exasperated that McConkie and his publisher released the book without pre-publication publicity or notifying First Presidency. Even his father-in-law, senior apostle, Joseph Fielding Smith, “did not know anything about it until it was published.” This is McConkie’s way to avoid repetition of Presidency’s stopping his pre-announced Sound Doctrine three years earlier.

Committee of two apostles (Mark E Petersen and Marion G Romney) reports that McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine contains 1,067 doctrinal errors. For example, page 493 said: “Those who falsely and erroneously suppose that God is progressing in knowledge and gaining new truths cannot exercise sufficient faith in him to gain salvation until they divest themselves of their false beliefs.” However, McConkie is affirming doctrine of omniscience officially condemned by previous First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1865.”

http://today-in-church-history.blogspot ... an-08.html