Why humans are born handicapped and minorities

[_jaberwocky]

I was born with red hair. What sin do you think I committed in the pre-existence to be born with that?

[_jaberwocky]

What would the world be like if instead of doing work for the dead in the temples, LDS folk spent the equivalent amount of time and money doing work for the living? Helping the poor, providing education and classes, soup kitchens.....

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[_Tobin]

I was born with red hair. What sin do you think I committed in the pre-existence to be born with that?

What sin hasn't the Irish committed?

[_Themis]

I don't have a problem with Muslims believing Mohammad was God's last prophet. I've actually read the Koran. It does have some good idea's. I just don't accept its Truth Claims.

I suspected you didn't, but it still influences people and some to do some bad things. Look at countries where Muslims are dominate and look at what laws they inflict on everyone regardless of religion. Other religious groups tend to be treated very poorly and violence against them is all too common. Same with atheists. Christian dominated areas have also had a very poor history of tolerance. You would not want to have been non-Mormon in Utah during the polygamy years. A groupd may have many good beliefs and I am fine with that. It's the bad ones that can influence a lot of bad things I would like to see gone.

As long as they treat me decently, I really don't care what they believe. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful decent people just trying to make a life for themselves their families in this world.

I agree that most are good. I dislike the fear and hate that is being generated towards them with the recent attacks in Paris. Creating better bonds with the Muslim communities and as well making sure they are well integrated with the rest of society is one of the best ways to fight this kind of ideology and violence. The LDS church being more integrated has been very positive for Mormons and has helped them change for the better. This will continue into the future.

There are always jerks in every religion and no religion at all.

Sure, but what a religion teaches can influence them to better or worse.

[_Themis]

I was born with red hair. What sin do you think I committed in the pre-existence to be born with that?

An unfortunate belief that still exists in some parts of the world. Could be worse. If you were an albino in some areas of Africa you would have to worry they will chop off limbs believing them to be very magical.

[_subgenius]

What is the price of a new temple these days? 30-40 million?

Unlikely

Small thing. The church spends 2-3 orders of magnitude more each year on real estate than non member charity. About 48 million a year over the last 20 some odd years towards charity according to the welfare fact sheets the church used to publish. Most of which value is by calculated member volunteer time translated into $$$s, and generally about 13 million a year in actual cash contributions. Which is $2 + change in cash per active member per year.

Got any citation/reference/evidence to base your claims?

How Christ like.

Aside from your obvious qualifications to make such judgments...what do you know of Christ and His temporal workings? Did he perform carpentry for no fee? Did he possess nothing?
I would be curious to know more details about His life and since you seem to be the self-appointed expert on "Christ-like"....

The members placate their consciences by doing works for the dead, instead of works for the poor living.

There is no evidence to support this condition of "exclusivity"...I consider it much more reasonable to assume that most church members can, and do, perform both works. In fact, I have witnessed more church members participate in works for the living than works for the dead.

Yes a sop. A sop designed to centralize and bind them tighter to the church, ensuring the revenue stream of tithing. Rather than serving the community in shelters and soup kitchens they go to the temple. Let the dead take care of the dead. Temple work can never catch up with the birth rate. It can wait till the milenium. There is real suffering that could be alleviated now, except the focus is not there, and the resources elsewhere allocated, to dead works for dead folks.

and there upon his head doth rest the crown of tin foil, protecting he from thy extraterrestrial beams of mind control.
Quick! the conspiracy is afoot!

[_The CCC]

I don't have a problem with Muslims believing Mohammad was God's last prophet. I've actually read the Koran. It does have some good idea's. I just don't accept its Truth Claims.

I suspected you didn't, but it still influences people and some to do some bad things. Look at countries where Muslims are dominate and look at what laws they inflict on everyone regardless of religion. Other religious groups tend to be treated very poorly and violence against them is all too common. Same with atheists. Christian dominated areas have also had a very poor history of tolerance. You would not want to have been non-Mormon in Utah during the polygamy years. A groupd may have many good beliefs and I am fine with that. It's the bad ones that can influence a lot of bad things I would like to see gone.

As long as they treat me decently, I really don't care what they believe. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful decent people just trying to make a life for themselves their families in this world.

I agree that most are good. I dislike the fear and hate that is being generated towards them with the recent attacks in Paris. Creating better bonds with the Muslim communities and as well making sure they are well integrated with the rest of society is one of the best ways to fight this kind of ideology and violence. The LDS church being more integrated has been very positive for Mormons and has helped them change for the better. This will continue into the future.

There are always jerks in every religion and no religion at all.

Sure, but what a religion teaches can influence them to better or worse.

"Show me what you do and I'll know what you believe " applies to all regardless of religion or lack there of.

Non-Mormons were well accepted in Utah during the polygamous years.
SEE https://heritage.utah.gov/history/relig ... ding-types

I dislike the throwing out of the baby with the bathwater. I much prefer to hold fast to that which is good and discard that which isn't.

The early years for Mormons weren't all that good. Extermination Orders by governors have a tendency to make any group distrustful. Add in being driven out of the US, and efforts to close churches aren't nice things to do. but I do agree that integration is in general a good thing. E Pluribus Unum. :)

[_Themis]

"Show me what you do and I'll know what you believe " applies to all regardless of religion or lack there of.

So? No one has suggested people don't act according to their beliefs. Religion can teach some poor things which adherents can then believe and act on. Attitudes and behaviors towards say Gays have been influenced by what many religions teach about it.

Non-Mormons were well accepted in Utah during the polygamous years.
SEE https://heritage.utah.gov/history/relig ... ding-types

??? Not seeing this from your source. That they existed during these years does not show they were well accepted and treated well.

I dislike the throwing out of the baby with the bathwater. I much prefer to hold fast to that which is good and discard that which isn't.

Most think this. This was the topic of what I have been saying all along. Religion can have good and bad and that we should get rid of the bad and false beliefs.

The early years for Mormons weren't all that good. Extermination Orders by governors have a tendency to make any group distrustful. Add in being driven out of the US, and efforts to close churches aren't nice things to do. but I do agree that integration is in general a good thing. E Pluribus Unum. :)

While I can agree that they have been treated poorly, you sem to be saying this as a way of justifying any poor treatment by Mormons to others.

The interesting thing here is the US fight against Polygamy was responsible for the ending of the practice in the church which has done a lot of good for the LDS church. I would have grown up in a very different and polygamous world if they had not.

[_The CCC]

"Show me what you do and I'll know what you believe " applies to all regardless of religion or lack there of.

So? No one has suggested people don't act according to their beliefs. Religion can teach some poor things which adherents can then believe and act on. Attitudes and behaviors towards say Gays have been influenced by what many religions teach about it.

Non-Mormons were well accepted in Utah during the polygamous years.
SEE https://heritage.utah.gov/history/relig ... ding-types

??? Not seeing this from your source. That they existed during these years does not show they were well accepted and treated well.

I dislike the throwing out of the baby with the bathwater. I much prefer to hold fast to that which is good and discard that which isn't.

Most think this. This was the topic of what I have been saying all along. Religion can have good and bad and that we should get rid of the bad and false beliefs.

The early years for Mormons weren't all that good. Extermination Orders by governors have a tendency to make any group distrustful. Add in being driven out of the US, and efforts to close churches aren't nice things to do. but I do agree that integration is in general a good thing. E Pluribus Unum. :)

While I can agree that they have been treated poorly, you sem to be saying this as a way of justifying any poor treatment by Mormons to others.

The interesting thing here is the US fight against Polygamy was responsible for the ending of the practice in the church which has done a lot of good for the LDS church. I would have grown up in a very different and polygamous world if they had not.

I don't have a problem with gay's. Some of my close relatives are gay. I would hate to see anything bad happen to them. I just don't agree with some of their actions. My religion teaches me to love my gay friends, relatives, and neighbors. To encourage them to do what I consider better actions. It is not my or any other mortals job to do injury to anyone based on their sexuality.

Then open your eyes. Accepting, and welcoming, people doesn't necessitate agreeing with their religion or lack there of.

I'll somewhat agree. I agree with the LDS Articles of Faith about letting all worship as they please. I also agree with Thomas Jefferson on freedom of religion.
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg".
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

While I do believe in self defense. Come after me, and I'm under no obligation to let anyone hurt me. The eye for and eye, and a tooth for a tooth leaves both sightless and toothless. Show me love and consideration even if we disagree. Who knows you may even convince me to accept what you believe.
As my mom used to tell me. Your actions are shouting so loudly that I can't hear a word you're saying.

Maybe. There was the greater issue of freedom of religion. For all of Americans proclamations to freedom of religion when it came to the LDS it was not so much. Personally I have no desire for more than the one wife I've had for the last 43 years. If one, two, three, or more, consenting adults want to marry the same person it is really none of my concern.

[_Themis]

I don't have a problem with gay's. Some of my close relatives are gay. I would hate to see anything bad happen to them. I just don't agree with some of their actions. My religion teaches me to love my gay friends, relatives, and neighbors. To encourage them to do what I consider better actions. It is not my or any other mortals job to do injury to anyone based on their sexuality.

Then open your eyes. Accepting, and welcoming, people doesn't necessitate agreeing with their religion or lack there of.

While we may have the right to believe what we like, beliefs have consequences. They propel us to actions.

Maybe. There was the greater issue of freedom of religion. For all of Americans proclamations to freedom of religion when it came to the LDS it was not so much. Personally I have no desire for more than the one wife I've had for the last 43 years. If one, two, three, or more, consenting adults want to marry the same person it is really none of my concern.

Yet if US government had done the same the LDS church today would look just like the FLDS with all it's problems.