Current GA Being Accused of Child Abuse; the 12 Ignore It

[_mentalgymnast]

This kind of stuff is getting old...

So is your rinse and repeat......

I'm talking about saying mean/unwarranted things in regards to parents.

I take that personally.

There is no need for that kind of stuff.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

...you're insulting the crap out of every LDS true believer when you imply that they are willing to hang on to the truth of their testimony so long as something was happening with plates,whether they were fake or not.

I don't think so. As I've already said earlier, knowing that plates are recognized as a real possibility by two respected early Mormon researchers simply opens up the potential for choosing door number one.

That the plates were real.

Kind of simple really.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

The one and only problem you have in the above, is that you're insulting the crap out of every LDS true believer when you imply that they are willing to hang on to the truth of their testimony so long as something was happening with plates, whether they were fake or not.

p.s. I'm changing my specialty from dentistry to midwifery. Charting to follow.

Well, well said, Jersey Girl. And what a midwife you are! Although I was briefly leaning toward high colonic administrator, given the quantity of crap coming forward, I am happy to now view this as a re-birth, facilitated by you.

[_Jersey Girl]

OB notes for MG's birth:

Process:

Medication free delivery after long labor requiring the use of forceps. Though some present felt the need for drugs, no one actively requested them.

Complications:

1. MG failed to be complete in his communication.
2. Other posters failed to question him.

Clinical notes:

When MG failed to state exactly why he felt that even fake plates were a net positive, other posters assumed that he was using Dan Vogel's fake plates belief as support for the bringing forth of the Book of Mormon and in a way, they were right. MG doesn't seem aware that his acceptance of even fake plates as partial with which to strengthen LDS belief that the undermines the very truth claim of the Church, but insults the intelligence of LDS believers in general.

When MG ignored Dan Vogel's claim challenging MG's assertion that fake plates were Dan's default position and continued in his very next post to identify it as Dan's default position, posters on the thread assumed he was ignoring what Dan himself had said and they were correct. MG needed to pay close attention to what was stated, instead he skipped right over Dan's remarks. When people see that MG replied to the post that contained Dan's denial of default position and instead cherry picked a remark for reply out of it, they saw that as evidence that MG was being dishonest and/or disingenuous.

You're done, MG. If you make me work another 2 back to back 12 hour shifts again, I will never let you know rest on this board.

[_Jersey Girl]

...you're insulting the crap out of every LDS true believer when you imply that they are willing to hang on to the truth of their testimony so long as something was happening with plates,whether they were fake or not.

I don't think so. As I've already said earlier, knowing that plates are recognized as a real possibility by two respected early Mormon researchers simply opens up the potential for choosing door number one.

That the plates were real.

Kind of simple really.

Regards,
MG

Why aren't you bonding skin to skin with your new understanding?

If the plates were real fakes, you are saying that the very God they/you believe in uses fakery to bring forth scripture.

p.s. Moroni was Rigdon.

You're welcome.

[_Jersey Girl]

I apologize to whoever started this nice thread for taking part in derailing it. My only defense is that when the contractions begin, one needs to fully attend to the patient.

[_Lemmie]

Well now I just have to apply the template, and ratchet up the number, so while I am stubborn enough to not let mentalgymnast's lies go, no one needs to read if mg's lies are getting repetitive. I also apologize to the OP.

As I've already said earlier, knowing that plates are recognized as a real possibility by two respected early Mormon researchers simply opens up the potential for choosing door number one.

That the plates were real.

Kind of simple really.

Regards,
MG

You are 'not so deftly avoiding,' for the [EIGHTH] time, the statement that "Dan Vogel believes that Joseph made fake plates."

In no way is it appropriate to fold his assessment into a statement that conflates it with witnesses [or other researchers] thinking there were plates. It is misleading and inaccurate.

[_Jersey Girl]

Well now I just have to apply the template, and ratchet up the number, so while I am stubborn enough to not let mentalgymnast's lies go, no one needs to read if mg's lies are getting repetitive. I also apologize to the OP.

As I've already said earlier, knowing that plates are recognized as a real possibility by two respected early Mormon researchers simply opens up the potential for choosing door number one.

That the plates were real.

Kind of simple really.

Regards,
MG

You are 'not so deftly avoiding,' for the [EIGHTH] time, the statement that "Dan Vogel believes that Joseph made fake plates."

In no way is it appropriate to fold his assessment into a statement that conflates it with witnesses thinking there were plates. It is misleading and inaccurate.

I don't think he's intentionally lying, Lemmie. I think he's a less than careful writer. He's saying that the plates, whether they were authentic or fake, are a real concrete (no pun intended) possibility.

That is to say, he's saying that plates existed and he fails to make the distinction between what both scholars think about their authenticity.

At least I think so. If I can think at all after at this point.

[_Jersey Girl]

"Plates existed"...and so what? God either used authentic plates or he used fake stuff. If God used fake stuff how are LDS to bear the truth of their testimony?

I believe the Church is true.
I believe that Joseph Smith was a true Prophet of God.
I believe that God uses fake stuff.


Yeah, like that.

[_Lemmie]

When people see that MG replied to the post that contained Dan's denial of default position and instead cherry picked a remark for reply out of it, they saw that as evidence that MG was being dishonest and/or disingenuous.

Jersey Girl, mentalgymnast has used this exact technique, twisting a statement so he can use it as false support, so many times just in the last several months that I have lost count. Many people, even on this thread, have commented on the disingenuous nature of this exact trick and his overall dishonest style.

Just wanted to give some context for why people absolutely saw the above process you related as evidence that mentalgymnast was being dishonest and/or disingenuous.

It's a well-engrained habit in mg.

I don't think he's a less than careful writer, I think the intentional lying takes a great deal of very careful writing to say things just so. But, just my opinion. Others have weighed in on exactly this behavior, several this afternoon in this thread, maybe take a look at their comments.