Bible verse by verse

[_LittleNipper]

DrW has reminded me that LittleNipper is fundamentally incapable of un-learning or modifying his absurd misconceptions about the age of the universe, and it is therefore a waste of time to even engage him, but as a parting shot I will leave yet another irrefutable, purely mathematical argument that YEC is the purest nonsense. Trigonometric proof that the universe has to be much more than 6,000 years old.

Based on the known, current speed of light and simple trigonometry, Supernova SN1987A has to be 168,000 light years away, so if the speed of light is constant, it must have taken 168,000 years for the light from it to get to us. YEC's have tried to get around that difficulty by postulating that the speed of light was once faster than it is now. Unfortunately, that doesn't help their case at all because, if the speed of light was once faster than it is now, the supernova remnant would have to be much larger and much farther away than we now think it is. So much farther away, in fact, that even assuming that the speed of light were once much higher than it now is, it can be shown mathematically that it would have taken even longer for the light from it to get to us than we now think it did. Furthermore, the faster we postulate that the speed of light once was, the worse it looks for YEC! Of course LittleNipper will not understand or even try to understand the math involved, but any mathematically competent person will immediately see just how untenable the YEC position is if they take a look at that video.

Actually, what Creationists say is that God first made light and later created a source of that light. God also spread the universe out as a curtain. The Bible is way ahead of such problems as light years. And yet when it was written, only God knew that light isn't instantaneous.

[_Gunnar]

And most people, myself included--and even some creationists find that explanation hilariously irrational!

[_Quasimodo]

Actually, what Creationists say is that God first made light and later created a source of that light. God also spread the universe out as a curtain. The Bible is way ahead of such problems as light years. And yet when it was written, only God knew that light isn't instantaneous.

So God flipped on the flashlight before he made the flashlight? If God created light before he created the sun, why bother creating the sun at all?

It's little problems like this that make the Bible hard for many people to believe.

[_LittleNipper]

And most people, myself included--and even some creationists find that explanation hilariously irrational!

Perhaps you should be speaking only for yourself. Most people are at least exceptional enough to realize that there is a GOD and that an all Omnipotent Creator is not something to laugh at.

[_Maksutov]

And most people, myself included--and even some creationists find that explanation hilariously irrational!

Perhaps you should be speaking only for yourself. Most people are at least exceptional enough to realize that there is a GOD and that an all Omnipotent Creator is not something to laugh at.

You still haven't explained why there are religious people who don't accept creationism and who accept science. You aren't speaking for them and yet they believe in God.

Some of these guys even refer to themselves as "evolutionary creationists". They can't deny the science.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... anity.html

[_LittleNipper]

Actually, what Creationists say is that God first made light and later created a source of that light. God also spread the universe out as a curtain. The Bible is way ahead of such problems as light years. And yet when it was written, only God knew that light isn't instantaneous.

So God flipped on the flashlight before he made the flashlight? If God created light before he created the sun, why bother creating the sun at all?

It's little problems like this that make the Bible hard for many people to believe.

He created for His glory and so there would be heavenly signs to indicate seasons, days, and years and to act as the provider of light on the earth. God made two great light providers for earth, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. The issue is do you believe in an ALL POWERFUL GOD or just a god of convenience. Faith is never convenient.



The Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 The earth was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water.

3 God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

4 God saw that the light was good, and God separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”

7 So God made the expanse and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse. And it was so.

8 God called the expanse Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. Then God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the earth produce vegetation:[c] plants yielding seed and fruit trees on the earth yielding fruit after their kind with seed in them.” And it was so.

12 The earth produced vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind and trees yielding fruit with seed in them after their kind. And God saw that it was good.

13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs to indicate seasons, and days, and years.

15 Let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

17 Then God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,

18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. Then God saw that it was good.

19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

[_LittleNipper]

Perhaps you should be speaking only for yourself. Most people are at least exceptional enough to realize that there is a GOD and that an all Omnipotent Creator is not something to laugh at.

You still haven't explained why there are religious people who don't accept creationism and who accept science. You aren't speaking for them and yet they believe in God.

Some of these guys even refer to themselves as "evolutionary creationists". They can't deny the science.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... anity.html

James 2:19 New International Version

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

It is not the science that is at fault. It is the limitation they place on GOD and misinterpretation of data based on a preconceived notion that GOD and nature are one in the same.

[_Quasimodo]

He created for His glory and so there would be heavenly signs to indicate seasons, days, and years and to act as the provider of light on the earth. God made two great light providers for earth, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. The issue is do you believe in an ALL POWERFUL GOD or just a god of convenience. Faith is never convenient.

Actually, Nipper, it comes down to whether I or anyone believes in your particular version of God. You must realize that your beliefs carry no more weight than anyone else's. I do know that you believe you have he answers, but you don't.

If you are truly seeking God, you first have to admit to yourself that you might be wrong.

[_spotlight]

You still haven't explained why there are religious people who don't accept creationism and who accept science. You aren't speaking for them and yet they believe in God.

Some of these guys even refer to themselves as "evolutionary creationists". They can't deny the science.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... anity.html

James 2:19 New International Version

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

It is not the science that is at fault. It is the limitation they place on GOD and misinterpretation of data based on a preconceived notion that GOD and nature are one in the same.

Sorry Maksutov,
Your so-called Christians are really just demons.

[_spotlight]

God made two great light providers for earth, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night.

The moon is not a light. It is a reflector only. The sun is not a light provider for the earth. If it was made 6,000 years ago then the light generated in its core (that is where light originates in the sun, in the core) has not yet reached the surface of the sun.
It will take about another 4,000 to 144,000 years for that to happen. So the sun has not generated any light that has fallen upon the earth if it was created 6,000 years ago. So it is not a light provider.