Mike Pence Speaks After Being Announced Trump VP

[_Jersey Girl]

You're in a mood today, Quasi, what's up?!!

I blame Quasi for everything. It's all his fault and it'll always be his fault.

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[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I can't compete with the ex-military posters here in terms of gun experience, but I do very occasionally shoot at a gun range for fun. I've fired the weapons ldsfaqs mentioned plenty of times and it has never caused me "massive pain." It seems like you're doing it wrong if that's the result. That or your body is 95% peanut brittle.

You really need to stop talking about people's bodies like they're made of candy. It gives off a creeper vibe.

Lol. Oh my god.



- Doc

[_Quasimodo]

You're in a mood today, Quasi, what's up?!!

I blame Quasi for everything. It's all his fault and it'll always be his fault.

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I'm buying a tee shirt.

[_Lemmie]

You're in a mood today, Quasi, what's up?!!

I blame Quasi for everything. It's all his fault and it'll always be his fault.

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I'm buying a tee shirt.

Can you get a bulk discount? I think a fair number of us are going to need at least one of these. I'll take two.

[_ldsfaqs]

The advantage of a shot gun vs a rifle or handgun is that in a home a shotgun buckshot blast really won't injure family members on the other side of a wall, where a bullet will easily go through a few sheet rock walls if it doesn't hit something solid. Less likely hood of accidently killing a family member.

If recoil is a concern go to a 20 Guage or such with #6 buckshot.

1. That actually isn't necessarily true at all....

Both Shotgun pellets and a .223 or 5.56 round will in fact BOTH go though walls basically exactly the same.
It seems counterintuitive, but there's reasons for that. The 5.56 for example powder and round design is designed to start "fragmenting" upon impact, and thus it starts to lose it's energy. Shotgun pellets "don't" lose their energy (which is why they are known for their power), but of course they way they are designed they eventually starting losing power after going through more things and/or the distance involved.

Overall, there is really no "safe" gun for shooting in a home.
The Handgun for example is the worst of the 3 in penetration (meaning the strongest) and thus worst for home usage, even though it's the most common and practical weapon for home/self defense usage only.
So, if you're worried about shooting through walls, the AR-15 and the Shotgun are your best option.
If your walls have insulation, etc. in between the drywall, or wood paneling, the AR-15 is actually the best option.
The shotgun is pretty much the same either way, not really at all "safer" than the AR-15.

And if any of you don't believe me on any of this, simply Google "which goes through a wall, an AR-15 or a shotgun" and you will see a bunch of articles and videos on the subject.

2. Yes, like I originally said.

Further, I also originally stated that "recoil" can be mitigated due to proper techniques of holding 12 Gauges etc.
But the fact of the matter is that for a "woman" in self defense, Shotguns except for 20 gauges are not a "wise" choice. Being trained can certainly mitigate the issues, but still, the issues are there.

And I shot my first shotgun skeet shooting when I was 10, so what.
No matter how you "mitigate" all the problems and limitations to the shotgun, it still overall is not the best choice overall for home defense.
There is a reason people are choosing the AR-15. It's not because they are "assault weapons" (of course you liberals were trying to tell me before they are ONLY "Varmint guns" LOL when I talked about the .223 which is the exact same round), it's because they are the best "all around" weapon to have for the home, be it for self defense, hunting, potential war, etc.

[_Lemmie]

The advantage of a shot gun vs a rifle or handgun is that in a home a shotgun buckshot blast really won't injure family members on the other side of a wall, where a bullet will easily go through a few sheet rock walls if it doesn't hit something solid. Less likely hood of accidently killing a family member.

If recoil is a concern go to a 20 Guage or such with #6 buckshot.

1. That actually isn't necessarily true at all....

Both Shotgun pellets and a .223 or 5.56 round will in fact BOTH go though walls basically exactly the same.
It seems counterintuitive, but there's reasons for that. The 5.56 for example powder and round design is designed to start "fragmenting" upon impact, and thus it starts to lose it's energy. Shotgun pellets "don't" lose their energy (which is why they are known for their power), but of course they way they are designed they eventually starting losing power after going through more things and/or the distance involved.

Overall, there is really no "safe" gun for shooting in a home.
The Handgun for example is the worst of the 3 in penetration (meaning the strongest) and thus worst for home usage, even though it's the most common and practical weapon for home/self defense usage only.
So, if you're worried about shooting through walls, the AR-15 and the Shotgun are your best option.
If your walls have insulation, etc. in between the drywall, or wood paneling, the AR-15 is actually the best option.
The shotgun is pretty much the same either way, not really at all "safer" than the AR-15.

And if any of you don't believe me on any of this, simply Google "which goes through a wall, an AR-15 or a shotgun" and you will see a bunch of articles and videos on the subject.

2. Yes, like I originally said.

Further, I also originally stated that "recoil" can be mitigated due to proper techniques of holding 12 Gauges etc.
But the fact of the matter is that for a "woman" in self defense, Shotguns except for 20 gauges are not a "wise" choice. Being trained can certainly mitigate the issues, but still, the issues are there.

And I shot my first shotgun skeet shooting when I was 10, so what.
No matter how you "mitigate" all the problems and limitations to the shotgun, it still overall is not the best choice overall for home defense.
There is a reason people are choosing the AR-15. It's not because they are "assault weapons" (of course you liberals were trying to tell me before they are ONLY "Varmint guns" LOL when I talked about the .223 which is the exact same round), it's because they are the best "all around" weapon to have for the home, be it for self defense, hunting, potential war, etc.

Thank you for your opinions. Please be cognizant of the fact that other people have different opinions. One unfortunate element of brain damage is that you may see a situation as black and white, meaning you may feel like other people's opinions are wrong, or even evil. That is NOT the case. It is simply that your thoughts are your opinions, not facts.

[_The CCC]

Any firearm can be used as a varmint weapon. There is a reason for using that shotgun as opposed to a single bullet rifle. Better chances of hitting the target.

[_Some Schmo]

Thank you for your opinions. Please be cognizant of the fact that other people have different opinions. One unfortunate element of brain damage is that you may see a situation as black and white, meaning you may feel like other people's opinions are wrong, or even evil. That is NOT the case. It is simply that your thoughts are your opinions, not facts.

Now there's a comment that was long overdue. Well stated.

[_Lemmie]

Thank you for your opinions. Please be cognizant of the fact that other people have different opinions. One unfortunate element of brain damage is that you may see a situation as black and white, meaning you may feel like other people's opinions are wrong, or even evil. That is NOT the case. It is simply that your thoughts are your opinions, not facts.

Now there's a comment that was long overdue. Well stated.

Thank you, Some Schmo. I value your opinion greatly.

[Hound of Heaven]

This video for example takes an experienced female shooter with primarily handguns, and yet she was trying to aim with the shotgun, etc., and yet ONLY one pellet hit the target, in contrast to the AR-15 in which every shot hit, and it didn't hurt to shoot it, so she didn't like the shotgun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9OOdl9JEI

The shotgun is basically the WORST self defense weapon one could use and have.
Sure, in a very specific instance and circumstance very close up, it CAN be effective for doing damage, but overall with distances, skill levels required, ease of use and rounds, it's frankly the WORST to have, because self defense situations are more fluid. The "shot gun is the best home defense weapon" MYTH is from old thinking some 40 years ago that was popular promoted. It however with true experts is a joke.

If you were in a self-defense situation a shotgun is much better than a rifle. Self-defense is typically done in close proximity, closed spaces, and you don't have much time to react. A shot gun doesn't require much aim, will eliminate the threat, and doesn't have much kick. A rifle is much like a handgun in close quarters combat and it's easy to miss your target, and if it's a 5.56 round may not stop the attacker.

Anyway. Based off your online and in real life history I don't believe you've fired a shotgun or have any sort of training with shotguns so you're pretty much a fat “F” running his fat damned jowls who has watched YouTube and now thinks he is an expert on something he can't comprehend.

- Doc

ldsfaqs was correct, and our very own "rambo" Mr. Delta Force himself , DrCamnPP is wrong in believing a shotgun is best for home defense. But hey, DrCamnPP served "with" 1st SFOD-Delta for 7 years, meaning he understands home defense.

Here's an actual Delta Force Operator explaining the exact opposite of our very own Mr. Rambo a.k.a. "i served with delta for 7 years" DrCamnPP himself. Shotguns suck for home defense.
https://youtube.com/shorts/hsrzb12usKk? ... fGLZyJOrVW


Navy Seal explaining why a shotgun sucks for home defense.
https://youtu.be/6cpLku4LWSw?is=1VEE4Pl2LeRH-Pzq



The explanation below from DrCamnPP on why a shotgun is great for home defense is one of the most ignorant explanations on this board for any topic in any forum!

""If you were in a self-defense situation a shotgun is much better than a rifle. Self-defense is typically done in close proximity, closed spaces, and you don't have much time to react. A shot gun doesn't require much aim, will eliminate the threat, and doesn't have much kick. A rifle is much like a handgun in close quarters combat and it's easy to miss your target, and if it's a 5.56 round may not stop the attacker.""

First of all, if DrCamnPP had any experience with guns, he would never say a shotgun doesn't require much aim in close quarters, that's a ridiculous statement and proves he doesn't no guns at all!! Anyone who has ever used a smooth bore shotgun, or anyone who as ever hunted with a chocked shotgun would never say a shotgun doesn't take much aim, especially up close, just the opposite is true!!

Secondly, the funniest part of his explanation is when he actually says a shotgun doesn't have much kick, once again he has no experience with guns!! I mean, anyone who has ever used a shotgun would NOT say it doesn't have kick !

DrCamnPP has never shot a shotgun!




Please Please Please defend your statement Mr. Delta DrCamnPP! I've known a few SFs guys and a handful of support personnel, and none of them are so ignorant to not understand the shot pattern of a shotgun! To say you don't have to aim with a shotgun in close quarters is something that would never be said by someone that understands weapon systems! And to say a shotgun doesn't kick is just hilarious ! Please tell us all how a shotgun doesn't kick.