a history of the discovery of the planet by humans

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The CCC wrote:Oh it's simple. But I disagree that it is simplistic. Just because we don't know how something was done, doesn't mean it can't be done. Why evolution, because that is currently the best way to produce a desired organism. Being mute on a subject is not the same thing as being ignorant. However we have been leaning much more about how it happened for about 400 years now.

I don't have a problem with a literal Adam and Eve, of some 7000 years ago. According to Scripture were formed outside the Garden of Eden then placed there. Where/when they were formed is not said in the Scriptures.

How do you reconcile a father god from a previous world (presumably where another evolutionary process also occurred) having compatible DNA with humans from this world?
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spotlight wrote:
The CCC wrote:Oh it's simple. But I disagree that it is simplistic. Just because we don't know how something was done, doesn't mean it can't be done. Why evolution, because that is currently the best way to produce a desired organism. Being mute on a subject is not the same thing as being ignorant. However we have been leaning much more about how it happened for about 400 years now.

I don't have a problem with a literal Adam and Eve, of some 7000 years ago. According to Scripture were formed outside the Garden of Eden then placed there. Where/when they were formed is not said in the Scriptures.

How do you reconcile a father god from a previous world (presumably where another evolutionary process also occurred) having compatible DNA with humans from this world?


19th century science fiction? Gene Roddenberry did it better but he had a little help. :wink:
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Maksutov wrote:19th century science fiction? Gene Roddenberry did it better but he had a little help. :wink:

my wife and me are watching star trek every night
i have downloaded all 700some parts
we get finished with it before littlenipper with his Bible blah blah

i recounted there are only 695 pieces (97 gigabytes and is decreasing)


by the way star trek is someway too american
as Book of Mormon is
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Choyo Chagas wrote:
Maksutov wrote:19th century science fiction? Gene Roddenberry did it better but he had a little help. :wink:

my wife and me are watching star trek every night
i have downloaded all 700some parts
we get finished with it before littlenipper with his Bible blah blah

i recounted there are only 695 pieces (97 gigabytes and is decreasing)


by the way star trek is someway too american
as Book of Mormon is


I agree. It was kind of like Asimov and Heinlein stirred together with some Great Society era American iconography.
That's ultra American.
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Choyo Chagas wrote:
Maksutov wrote:19th century science fiction? Gene Roddenberry did it better but he had a little help. :wink:

my wife and me are watching star trek every night
i have downloaded all 700some parts
we get finished with it before littlenipper with his Bible blah blah

i recounted there are only 695 pieces (97 gigabytes and is decreasing)


by the way star trek is someway too american
as Book of Mormon is

My wife and I were discussing Star Trek the other day. You wanna know what the difference is between Star Trek and Star Wars? Well, in Star Wars you're fighting against the Evil Galactic Empire. But in Star Trek, you are the Evil Galactic Empire. Star Trek is exactly the kind of propaganda you'd expect to see from an Evil Galactic Empire.
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spotlight wrote:How do you reconcile a father god from a previous world (presumably where another evolutionary process also occurred) having compatible DNA with humans from this world?


As we have no DNA sample from other planets to compare it is an argument from ignorance either way.
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:My wife and I were discussing Star Trek the other day. You wanna know what the difference is between Star Trek and Star Wars? Well, in Star Wars you're fighting against the Evil Galactic Empire. But in Star Trek, you are the Evil Galactic Empire. Star Trek is exactly the kind of propaganda you'd expect to see from an Evil Galactic Empire.


Another difference is that Star Wars is written for third graders and Star Trek for seventh graders. :lol:
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The CCC,

This process (evolution) cannot have a goal, any more than erosion has the goal of forming canyons, for the future cannot cause material events in the present.
Thus the concepts of goals or purposes have no place in biology...

https://ncse.com/files/pub/evolution/Ev ... chap11.pdf

The problem is compounded with every branching event of the evolutionary tree as the new branches themselves affect the outcome of later branching on the tree of life -
even the oxygenation of this planet that later resulted in the possibility of animal evolution.

So your position is not only that of convergence but of fertility between species evolved on separate spheres? Ok then. :confused:

But once evolved one wonders why it is that you would think evolution the best method of getting life onto subsequent planets.
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Say I want to build a house, and one of my tools is a hammer. Does the fact of having a hammer preclude me from using it?

As we have no samples of DNA from other planets. That is an argument from ignorance either way. We'll talk when we do.
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The CCC wrote:Say I want to build a house, and one of my tools is a hammer. Does the fact of having a hammer preclude me from using it?

A hammer does not mutate with time like DNA. That's not just the outcome of the program that constantly changes but the program itself.
ETA: A house is not a living thing. If it was then once built they could reproduce and there would be no need to rebuild from scratch using a hammer especially a hammer that yields different results each time it is used.

As we have no samples of DNA from other planets. That is an argument from ignorance either way. We'll talk when we do.

You are aware of the fact that human DNA is still mutating and changing? Humans separated by enough time would no longer be interfertile.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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