Book of Mormon Evidence

[_Quasimodo]

Because there is no evidence Native American haplo group x ever set foot in Siberia or central and east Asia. There is a tiny group of haplo group x who went to the Altains but this group is not related to the Native American haplo group x. See map of the distribution of x. It's common sense x migrated to more life sustaining regions of the world not to the arctic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)#/media/File%3AHaplogroup_X_(mtDNA).PNG

Happy New Year, bomgeography! Sadly, yet another year passes without any (zero) evidences for Nephites. Maybe this new year will be better for you.

[_bomgeography]

Because there is no evidence Native American haplo group x ever set foot in Siberia or central and east Asia. There is a tiny group of haplo group x who went to the Altains but this group is not related to the Native American haplo group x. See map of the distribution of x. It's common sense x migrated to more life sustaining regions of the world not to the arctic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)#/media/File%3AHaplogroup_X_(mtDNA).PNG

Happy New Year, bomgeography! Sadly, yet another year passes without any (zero) evidences for Nephites. Maybe this new year will be better for you.

Happy new year to you unfortunately you are incorrect

[_Lemmie]

Sadly, yet another year passes without any (zero) evidences for Nephites.

Agreed. McKane's circular illogic notwithstanding.

Happy New Year, Quasi!

[_tapirrider]

Because there is no evidence Native American haplo group x ever set foot in Siberia or central and east Asia.

The position of X2a in the phylogenetic tree suggests an early split from the other X2 clades, likely at the very beginning of their expansion and spread from the Near East.

David, why do you ignore coalescence times?

There is a tiny group of haplo group x who went to the Altains but this group is not related to the Native American haplo group x.

And by the same token, the possible haplogroup x2a'j in Iran is not ancestral to the Native American haplogroup x

See map of the distribution of x. It's common sense x migrated to more life sustaining regions of the world not to the arctic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)#/media/File%3AHaplogroup_X_(mtDNA).PNG

Want to join me for a cup of coffee in North Dakota?

A trans ocean migration a few thousand years ago makes total sense read the Book of Mormon and look into the fact that Polynesian and Australian DNA is found in the americas

“Three Amazonian groups—Suruí, Karitiana and Xavante—all had more in common with Australasians than any group in Siberia. “

No, a transoceanic migration a few thousand years ago does not make total sense. In fact, there is no evidence at all to support the claim. Cherry picking, ignoring coalescence times and discarding radiocarbon dating does not make evidence. Likewise, David, why do you continue to ignore this published report? Does Mitochondrial Haplogroup X Indicate Ancient Trans-Atlantic Migration to the Americas? A Critical Re-Evaluation

[_bomgeography]

Because there is no evidence Native American haplo group x ever set foot in Siberia or central and east Asia.

The position of X2a in the phylogenetic tree suggests an early split from the other X2 clades, likely at the very beginning of their expansion and spread from the Near East.

David, why do you ignore coalescence times?

There is a tiny group of haplo group x who went to the Altains but this group is not related to the Native American haplo group x.

And by the same token, the possible haplogroup x2a'j in Iran is not ancestral to the Native American haplogroup x

See map of the distribution of x. It's common sense x migrated to more life sustaining regions of the world not to the arctic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)#/media/File%3AHaplogroup_X_(mtDNA).PNG

Want to join me for a cup of coffee in North Dakota?

A trans ocean migration a few thousand years ago makes total sense read the Book of Mormon and look into the fact that Polynesian and Australian DNA is found in the americas

“Three Amazonian groups—Suruí, Karitiana and Xavante—all had more in common with Australasians than any group in Siberia. “

No, a transoceanic migration a few thousand years ago does not make total sense. In fact, there is no evidence at all to support the claim. Cherry picking, ignoring coalescence times and discarding radiocarbon dating does not make evidence. Likewise, David, why do you continue to ignore this published report? Does Mitochondrial Haplogroup X Indicate Ancient Trans-Atlantic Migration to the Americas? A Critical Re-Evaluation

Tapir the only thing that explains Australian and Polynesian dna in south American tribes is a trans ocean voyage.
This is always a circular argument so whats the point except to say there is no evidence for native American x haplo group in Siberia. The closest genetic link to native American Haplogroup x is X2A'J and its in Iran.

As far as joining you for a cup of coffee (I don't drink coffee). In my correspondence with you nobody has been more disrespectful of my views and stated more hateful and disgusting language. I hope that answers the question.

[_tapirrider]

Tapir the only thing that explains Australian and Polynesian dna in south American tribes is a trans ocean voyage.

Not so with the so-called Australian DNA. Once again, you either ignore or are uninformed about the coalescence times. The DNA you are referring to could very well have been in Asia 20,000 or more years ago and became part of the makeup of the founding groups that migrated in to the Americas more than 10,000 years ago. The Polynesian DNA is still controversial on the basis if it was introduced pre-European contact.

This is always a circular argument so whats the point except to say there is no evidence for native American x haplo group in Siberia. The closest genetic link to native American Haplogroup x is X2A'J and its in Iran.

No, it is not a circular argument so stop trying to turn things in a circle. The point is very easy to understand. Haplogroup x2a had its beginning long before the timeline of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, Adam and Eve, etc. It is only found in America and no where else. Its coalescence time provides a correspondence with the Beringian migration model and absolutely rules out a Biblical timeline migration to the Americas. Your so-called closest genetic link of x2a'j is not an ancestral dna. It is no better than a cousin and establishes no evidence at all of a migration during Book of Mormon timelines.

As far as joining you for a cup of coffee (I don't drink coffee). In my correspondence with you nobody has been more disrespectful of my views and stated more hateful and disgusting language. I hope that answers the question.

My comment about a cup of coffee was a light-hearted humor in regards to the brutal temperatures in North Dakota, where in fact folks who carry haplogroup x live. You should not take something as simple and innocent as coffee and twist it into hateful and disgusting language. On the other hand, your caucasian claims are racist and might fit that definition.

[_Quasimodo]

Sadly, yet another year passes without any (zero) evidences for Nephites.

Agreed. McKane's circular illogic notwithstanding.

Happy New Year, Quasi!

And a VERY (non-circular) HAPPY NEW YEAR to you, too, Lemmie!

[_Lemmie]

In my correspondence with you nobody has been more disrespectful of my views and stated more hateful and disgusting language.

McKane, that is nonsense. Tapirrider disagrees with your views and states so in factual and specific language. You are conflating disagreement with disrespect. That's not how it works in research.

He has been tough on you, but who wouldn't with your persistence in your racist views about native American history.

[_tapirrider]

In my correspondence with you nobody has been more disrespectful of my views and stated more hateful and disgusting language.

McKane, that is nonsense. Tapirrider disagrees with your views and states so in factual and specific language. You are conflating disagreement with disrespect. That's not how it works in research.

He has been tough on you, but who wouldn't with your persistence in your racist views about native American history.

Amazing isn't it? Humor about having a cup of coffee in the brutal North Dakota winter is disrespectful, hateful and disgusting. But claiming that ancient Caucasians in America were exterminated by wicked American Indians is the gospel that David is preaching with the use of known hoax artifacts, misrepresentation of actual artifacts, pseudo methods and utter nonsense and he wants us to believe him. He's too morally blind to even see the racism he espouses.

[_Maksutov]

In my correspondence with you nobody has been more disrespectful of my views and stated more hateful and disgusting language.

McKane, that is nonsense. Tapirrider disagrees with your views and states so in factual and specific language. You are conflating disagreement with disrespect. That's not how it works in research.

He has been tough on you, but who wouldn't with your persistence in your racist views about native American history.

Amazing isn't it? Humor about having a cup of coffee in the brutal North Dakota winter is disrespectful, hateful and disgusting. But claiming that ancient Caucasians in America were exterminated by wicked American Indians is the gospel David preaches and wants us to believe. He's too morally blind to see the racism he espouses.

It's interesting, because Joseph Smith was really one of the least racist Christian leaders of his time. He even tried to be an advocate for abolition within certain conditions. The LDS people have been pushing themselves away from racism for at least fifty years, but the pseudoscientists like May, Meldrum and Collin continue to peddle racist crackpot "theories". If your cause is so weak that it depends on the support of racist pedophiles, you might want to reconsider it.