DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East

[_bomgeography]

I'm going by what scientist have put out haplo group x is a Caucasian DNA marker.

“In that case, as it has been proposed, haplogroup X was brought to America by the eastward migration of an ancestral white population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian population”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial Haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)
“To date, haplogroup X has not been unambiguously identified in Asia, raising the possibility that some Native American founders were of Caucasian ancestry.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707616292
“Overall, the sequence data and phylogenetic analysis suggest that the Native American and the European haplogroup X mtDNAs share a common maternal ancestor”
“The 14 Caucasian-European haplogroup X samples (designated “CE1”–“CE14”) included 2 Caucasians of European ancestry”
(MtDNA haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America Michael D. Brown,1 Seyed H. Hosseini,1 Antonio Torroni,2 Hans-Ju ̈rgenBandelt,3 Jon C. Allen,1 Theodore G. Schurr,1 Rosaria Scozzari,2 Fulvio Cruciani,2 and Douglas C. Wallace1)
“Phylogenetic analysis and coalescence estimates for American Indian and European haplogroup X mtDNAs exclude the possibility that the occurrence of haplogroup X in American Indians is due to recent European admixture.”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)
Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(“Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -american- people-migration-siberia-genetics/)

In the Book of Mormon it states that sometimes the nephites were wicked and good it also states the lamanites were wicked and good.

The Book of Mormon is a excellent book that helps those who read it develop a relationship with their Heavenly Father and savior. I personally can testify to that. It also allows us to learn from the mistakes of others and their civilization. It's a record of a forgotten people the nephites and their brethren the lamanites. I'm fascinated by the historical aspect of it. Mormons interested in the historical aspect debate who the lamanites are I believe the lamanites are the North American native Americans their DNA artifacts culture and linguistic supports this

“The name of the Creeks for man, is ishto, and so it is in Hebrew...The same remark might be made with respect to the word Kenaai, for Canaan. Jehovah they call Y-he-ho-wah. The roof of the house they call toubanora; in the Hebrew it is debonaour. The nose they call nichiri in Hebrew, neheri. The great first cause, Yo-hewah; in Hebrew, Jehovah. Praise the first cause, in their language, halleluwah; in Hebrew, hallelujah. Father they call abba; the same in Hebrew. Now they call na; in Hebrew, na. To pray they call pliale; in Hebrew, phalae. In their language, abel is manslaughter; the same in Hebrew. Wife, awah; in Hebrew, eve, or eweh. Winter, kora in Hebrew, cora. God, Ale; in Hebrew, Ale, or Alohini. A high mountain, ararat; the same by the Indians of Penobscot.”
(Haywood 1823 pg. 282)
Silas T Rand knew several languages to include Hebrew concerning Micmac Indians:
“There are also some words in the language which resemble Greek. The Micmac word Ellenu, an Indian, is not very different from Hellene, a Greek. Ellenu esit (“He speaks Micmac”) is strikingly like the Greek, Hellenize (“He speaks Greek”). But in other respects the language resembles the Hebrew, especially in the suffixes by which the pronouns are connected in the accusative case with the verb.”
(Silas T Rand 1893)
“Their languages are very diverse and differs as much from one another as Dutch, French, Greek and Latin. Declension and conjugation resemble those in Greek, for they, like the Greeks, Have duals in their nouns and even augments in their verbs.”
(In Mohawk Country: Early Narratives About a Native People)
“Shilu in Indian is the same as Shiloh in Hebrew; the Indian word for father is Abba; the word for “waiter of the high priest” is Sagan in both Indian and Hebrew; the word for man in Indian is Ish or Ishie.”
(Adair 1735)
Kishkumen
An Ojibwa Indian Chief named Keeshkemun, who succeeded his father to be chief, is mentioned in Warren’s book, Ojibwa History. Keeshkemun sounds strikingly similar to Kishkumen the Gadianton leader and one of the cities mentioned in the Book of Mormon. In fact if you google Keeshkemun, Kishkumen will come up. Besides Isrealis Ojibwa Indians have the highest concentration of haplogroup X DNA.

Native American saying: “I will place you under my wings!”
Meaning: I will protect you at all hazards! You shall be perfectly safe, nobody shall molest
you!
Scripture: 3 Nephi 10:6 O ye house of Israel whom I have spared, how oft will I gather you as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, if ye will repent and return unto me with full purpose of heart.
(Heckewelder pg. 139)
Native American saying: ”To bury deep in the earth” (an injury done) Meaning: To consign it to oblivion.
Scripture: 2 Nephi 26:5 And they that kill the prophets, and the saints, the depths of the earth shall swallow them up, saith the Lord of Hosts; and mountains shall cover them. (Heckewelder pg. 140)
Native American saying: “You have spoken with your lips only, not from the heart!” Meaning: You endeavor to deceive me; you do not intend to do as you say!
Scripture: 2 Nephi 27:25 Forasmuch as this people draw near unto me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their hearts far from me, and their fear

towards me is taught by the precepts of men. (Heckewelder pg. 139)
Native American saying: “draw the thorns out of your feet and legs, grease your Stiffened joints with oil, and wipe the sweat off your body.”
Meaning: I make you feel comfortable after your fatiguing journey, that you may enjoy yourself while with us.
Hebrew Custom: The washing of feet is a Hebrew custom. It was the first item done when entering a house or tent. The host would provide the water and the guest would wash his own feet. If the host was wealthy, a slave would wash the feet.
Anointing of oil was used by Jews to refresh and invigorate the body. This custom is still done today by Arabians. In the example there are some similarities in the cleaning of feet and legs from thorns and the anointing of oil or grease to refresh the body. (Heckewelder pg. 139)

[_tapirrider]

I'm going by what scientist have put out haplo group x is a Caucasian DNA marker.

You are going by statements made in older publications that are no longer being made and are now known to be wrong. I have explained this to you already and given you credible publications that the white skin color happened in Europe after people were already in the Americas.

Claiming that the dark skin refers to a spiritual appearance while claiming that there is a white skin Caucasian DNA marker leaves out the fact that American Indians physically have a darker skin color than white Europeans. How do you account for that? And labeling the plains Indians as the wicked Lamanites is a racist claim without any credible backing. Twisting scientific publications to fit into a racist story of white people in ancient America who were destroyed by American Indians is advocating a supremacist doctrine. You can't wiggle out of this.

So are you still on deployment? Are you using Department of Defense equipment during a deployment to preach your racist nonsense?

[_bomgeography]

Caucasian is a term used by DNA researchers and the medical community it's only a racist term to you. If the scientific community has banned the word Caucasian as racist I'm not familiar with it sounds to me your making stuff up.

The only person calling the lamanites wicked is you. At times the Nephites called the lamanites wicked but at times the nephites were wicked and the lamanites were righteous. It's a evolving cycle of good and bad. It's referred to as the pride cycle. You can see it in world history quite a bit.

In Moroni chapter 10 he specifically wrote this chapter to his brethren the lamanites. Anybody who reads the Book of Mormon will draw closer to Christ that is his message. It's a message proven by millions of people

Moroni 10:1
Now I, Moroni, write somewhat as seemeth me good; and I write unto my brethren, the Lamanites; and I would that they should know that more than four hundred and twenty years have passed away since the sign was given of the coming of Christ.

[_Lemmie]

The only person calling the lamanites wicked is you. At times the Nephites called the lamanites wicked...

Now you're starting to sound like ldsfaqs.
"I NEVER lie. The few times I've lied..."
Not good.

You are going by statements made in older publications that are no longer being made and are now known to be wrong. I have explained this to you already and given you credible publications that the white skin color happened in Europe after people were already in the Americas.

Claiming that the dark skin refers to a spiritual appearance while claiming that there is a white skin Caucasian DNA marker leaves out the fact that American Indians physically have a darker skin color than white Europeans. How do you account for that? And labeling the plains Indians as the wicked Lamanites is a racist claim without any credible backing. Twisting scientific publications to fit into a racist story of white people in ancient America who were destroyed by American Indians is advocating a supremacist doctrine. You can't wiggle out of this.

So are you still on deployment? Are you using Department of Defense equipment during a deployment to preach your racist nonsense?

Excellent points as usual.

[_Lemmie]

This is too perfect for this thread:

[_bomgeography]

I think its interesting but not a surprise that the Nephites used the terms black and skin in the same way the Hebrews used the terms.

I'm assuming you guys think the Bible is racist.

Job 30:30
30 My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.
Lamentations 5:10
10 Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.
Song of Solomon 1:5
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
Song of Solomon 1:6
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
Lamentations 4:8
8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.

[_Lemmie]

I think its interesting but not a surprise that the Nephites used the terms black and skin in the same way the Hebrews used the terms.

I'm assuming you guys think the Bible is racist.

Job 30:30
30 My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.
Lamentations 5:10
10 Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.
Song of Solomon 1:5
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
Song of Solomon 1:6
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother’s children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
Lamentations 4:8
8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.

You're just digging yourself in deeper and deeper with the Nephite thing.

Claiming that the dark skin refers to a spiritual appearance while claiming that there is a white skin Caucasian DNA marker leaves out the fact that American Indians physically have a darker skin color than white Europeans. How do you account for that? And labeling the plains Indians as the wicked Lamanites is a racist claim without any credible backing. Twisting scientific publications to fit into a racist story of white people in ancient America who were destroyed by American Indians is advocating a supremacist doctrine. You can't wiggle out of this.

So are you still on deployment? Are you using Department of Defense equipment during a deployment to preach your racist nonsense?

[_bomgeography]

I'm not worried

[Guest]

I hold the Book of Mormon and Bible close to my heart.

Many Mormons and Christians serve their country and community.

[_Fence Sitter]

Many Mormons and Christians serve their country and community.

As do native Americans, Jews, Muslims & atheists.