The Book of Mormon: Man-Made or God-Given?

[_zerinus]

Maybe more importantly, what does the word "know" mean.

If he were to say that he believes the Book of Mormon is true or hopes the Book of Mormon is true, I wouldn't have a problem with it. To say he knows it is true is just trying to BS us or himself. I'm guessing that he is trying very hard to push back his own, secret doubts. We see a lot of that around here.

To “know” means what it says. I have absolutely no hesitation whatsoever in using the word “know” in this context. I don’t just “believe” it is true, I don’t “hope” that it is true, I don’t have “faith” that it is true; I know that it is true. How can you “know” anything? How can you be “sure” of anything? It is obviously possible to “know” something, otherwise people wouldn’t keep saying it all the time. Well, this is something that I happen to “know,” not just believe. Just because you have a hard time with it, doesn’t mean that everybody else should.

[_zerinus]

It's not a translation issue, it's a credibility issue.
The book is claimed to have been written by Mormon quoting and abridging ancient Prophets and adding some content, followed by his son adding some content. All of which was done 421AD or earlier. If it contains content that dates to later than that, then the book is t what it claims to be. Period.

Wrong. It doesn’t “contain content that is later than that.” The content is contemporary to the time period it was written. It is the translation of the content that you are quibbling about. It is therefore a translation issue, not a content issue.

[_I have a question]

It's not a translation issue, it's a credibility issue.
The book is claimed to have been written by Mormon quoting and abridging ancient Prophets and adding some content, followed by his son adding some content. All of which was done 421AD or earlier. If it contains content that dates to later than that, then the book is t what it claims to be. Period.

Wrong. It doesn’t “contain content that is later than that.” The content is contemporary to the time period it was written. It is the translation of the content that you are quibbling about. It is therefore a translation issue, not a content issue.

Good luck with that.

I agree with the bit in bold....

[_I have a question]

I don’t just “believe” it is true, I don’t “hope” that it is true, I don’t have “faith” that it is true; I know that it is true.

21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/2-ne/5?lang=eng

Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse... Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.

https://www.LDS.org/topics/race-and-the ... g&old=true

[_zerinus]

Good luck with that.

I agree with the bit in bold....

A dumb comment. Not that I had expected more.

[_Choyo Chagas]

Maybe more importantly, what does the word "know" mean.

If he were to say that he believes the Book of Mormon is true or hopes the Book of Mormon is true, I wouldn't have a problem with it. To say he knows it is true is just trying to BS us or himself. I'm guessing that he is trying very hard to push back his own, secret doubts. We see a lot of that around here.

[stupid color thing=#800000]To “know” means what it says. I have absolutely no hesitation whatsoever in using the word “know” in this context. I don’t just “believe” it is true, I don’t “hope” that it is true, I don’t have “faith” that it is true; I know that it is true. How can you “know” anything? How can you be “sure” of anything? It is obviously possible to “know” something, otherwise people wouldn’t keep saying it all the time. Well, this is something that I happen to “know,” not just believe. Just because you have a hard time with it, doesn’t mean that everybody else should.[ /color]

from that quote:
“know” “know” “believe” “hope” “faith” “know” “sure” “know” “know”

"zero" is coming from a society, where the first man of that society has contested the basic substantive verb is.
“is”... got it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp3TQf2xDc8
(Bill Clinton: "It depends upon what your definition of is is." ) for idiot-proof

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[_zerinus]

I don’t just “believe” it is true, I don’t “hope” that it is true, I don’t have “faith” that it is true; I know that it is true.

21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/2-ne/5?lang=eng

Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse... Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.

https://www.LDS.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng&old=true

More of the same. Why not just admit defeat and go home? That would be much more dignified.

[_zerinus]

[stupid color thing=#800000]

What an idiot! Waste of time to say more.

[_Choyo Chagas]

i don't open a debate who is the idiot - in this case

my last communication with this human-like-creature

[_I have a question]

I don’t just “believe” it is true, I don’t “hope” that it is true, I don’t have “faith” that it is true; I know that it is true.

21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/2-ne/5?lang=eng

Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse... Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.

https://www.LDS.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng&old=true

More of the same. Why not just admit defeat and go home? That would be much more dignified.

Defeat? Do you think you're in some kind of battle?
This thread, for most posters has been about sharing information and discussing it.
For instance, you didn't know before this thread that Joseph had tried to sell the Book of Mormon copyright.
Now you do.