The Book of Mormon: Man-Made or God-Given?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The problem I see with Z's position is he's muddling up skepticism bouncing between a particular point to a total skepticism. His position is convenient because he claims only a philosophical narrative when it suits his faith. The moment you start nailing down the implausibilty of a particular skepticism he jumps to total skepticism. It's logically inconsistent.

- Doc

[_SteelHead]

What there is "no" of, is no new world evidence for the Book of Mormon. Can you provide any?

[_Lemmie]

Another voice telling people, "Go back to sleep..."

My gosh, you like this crap? If so, why? Not to derail...but this stuff just sounds evil/destructive/malevolent, to me anyway. And that's from a person who likes MUSE.

New World Order? What are they talking about?

Regards,

Yes, mentalgymnast, there are people in the world who appreciate intelligent people making intelligent arguments. Your default position when you don't understand is well expressed in your rule-breaking profanity and your assessment of "evil/destructive/malevolent." By the way, it's just lazy, thoughtless writing to put every adjective you can think of into a multiple-slash phrase. Which is it? Evil? Destructive? Malevolent?

[Guest]

The Book of Mormon is history. It is a historical record of a lost civilization. The fact that we claim to be able to verify it through a divine source does not automatically invalidate the claim.

Of course it automatically invalidates the claim, to everybody except you. Because "divine verification" has been comprehensively shown to be unreliable as a means of determining truth. Very specifically it's been shown completely unreliable as a means of determining the truth of The Book of Mormon. Members and Leaders cannot even agree on what "divine verification" actually means.

Divine verification is indistinguishable from confirmation bias.

Exhibit A

Clive Doyle, a 72-year-old Australian-Texan, still lives in Waco and still has Bible study every Saturday with another survivor, Sheila Martin. Doyle has become the Davidians' unofficial historian and spokesman. He says they are still waiting on the resurrection of Koresh.

"We survivors of 1993 are looking for David and all those that died either in the shootout or in the fire," Doyle says. "We believe that God will resurrect this special group."

Today, all nine Davidian survivors who were convicted for various offenses related to the initial ATF raid have been released from federal prison. Paul Fatta, who spent nearly 13 years in prison on weapons charges, was released two years early for good behavior. Now 55 years old, he lives in San Diego where he manages his family's Hawaiian restaurant. Fatta, too, still believes.

"I would like to see some divine intervention, for God to vindicate his people," he says, "all those that have suffered over the years for truth, who've been misunderstood, have been mocked, ridiculed [and] thrown in prison."

http://www.npr.org/2013/04/20/178063471 ... ll-believe

[_zerinus]

For each statement following a link tell us if you believe it is true or false, and how you came to this belief.

Too easy.

Not interested, not worth the trouble.

[_honorentheos]

OK. Then tell us something you believe has the truth value of true that isn't Mormon related.

[_I have a question]

Your experience may have been subjective, mine wasn't.

What is a subjective experience?

Ask IHAQ. He is the one who said that my experiences were subjective.

Allow me to help...
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/cho ... ubjective/

[_zerinus]

OK. Then tell us something you believe has the truth value of true that isn't Mormon related.

I will if you can show me what the point of it is, what useful purpose it will serve.

[_Chap]

So after 41 pages, this is what it comes down to:

Q: The narrative of the text known as the Book of Mormon makes a large number of statements about the past history of the American continent that do not seem to bear any correspondence to what secular historians and archeologists have concluded was likely to have been the case. So why should we not simply conclude that the Book of Mormon is fictional?

A: I testify to you that I know through the power of the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon is true.

And that's, in substance, all there is from the Mormon side. Anything apart from that is just a series of flimsy attempts at distractions, quibbles and smoke-blowing.

[_I have a question]

So after 41 pages, this is what it comes down to:

Q: The narrative of the text known as the Book of Mormon makes a large number of statements about the past history of the American continent that do not seem to bear any correspondence to what secular historians and archeologists have concluded was likely to have been the case. So why should we not simply conclude that the Book of Mormon is fictional?

A: I testify to you that I know through the power of the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon is true.

And that's, in substance, all there is from the Mormon side. Anything apart from that is just a series of flimsy attempts at distractions, quibbles and smoke-blowing.

No Chap, you are wrong - It's not after 41 pages, it's after nearly two hundred years.

*but a very succinct summation of the evidentiary position of the Book of Mormon.