Science proves life after death

[_LittleNipper]

Sorry, but the Spanish Inquisition was entirely about upholding the power of the POPE (Father). Just as Adolf was the FATHER of the "Fatherland." It had nothing to do with GOD and everything to do with selfish control and power. The Roman Catholic Church didn't want competition nor anyone even reading the Bible without an authoritative (Papacy) explanation. Never mind the Holy Spirit!

Do you know what this is, Nipper?

There's another German phrase you should be familiar with: Kinder, Küche, Kirche.

MONTHLY ESSAYS OBSERVATIONS EDITORS' PICKS SUBJECTS ABOUT MOSAIC
Adolf Hitler Was Neither Christian Nor Atheist
FEB. 14 2017
In Hitler’s Religion, Richard Weikart thoroughly examines the evidence of the Nazi leader’s religious beliefs. Gary Scott Smith, calling the book a “fascinating, meticulous study,” summarizes its conclusions:

Hitler repeatedly affirmed the existence of God, but his conception of God differed substantially from the Bible’s. He rejected Christ’s divinity and frequently mocked Christianity. Hitler, Weikart points out, was a baptized, confirmed Catholic raised in Austria, a predominantly Catholic country, and he retained some vestiges of Christianity. Nevertheless, he repeatedly repudiated Christianity (especially privately) as “a Jewish plot to undermine the heroic ideals of the Aryan-dominated Roman Empire.” Hitler denounced Christianity as a poison, outmoded and dying, ridiculed its teachings, and persecuted Protestant and Catholic churches alike during the Third Reich [in cases when they refused to do his bidding]. Nor was Hitler an occultist, [as some have claimed], since he explicitly repudiated key occult convictions and mystical practices.

Weikart argues that Hitler is best understood as a pantheist, one who believes that nature is God and that the cosmos provides principles to guide human conduct. He frequently deified nature, referring to it as eternal and all powerful. . . . While presenting God as the creator and sustainer of the Volk—the German people—Hitler and the Nazis used religious symbols, terms, and passion in their speeches, rallies, and ceremonies to create an alternative faith. Hitler fully expected the Nazi worldview to replace Christianity in Germany and transform its culture and life. Moreover, Nazi propaganda depicted Hitler [himself] as a messianic figure, a savior chosen by God to liberate Germany from the punitive Versailles Treaty and restore its power and place in the world.

[_Maksutov]

Do you know what this is, Nipper?

There's another German phrase you should be familiar with: Kinder, Küche, Kirche.

MONTHLY ESSAYS OBSERVATIONS EDITORS' PICKS SUBJECTS ABOUT MOSAIC
Adolf Hitler Was Neither Christian Nor Atheist
FEB. 14 2017
In Hitler’s Religion, Richard Weikart thoroughly examines the evidence of the Nazi leader’s religious beliefs. Gary Scott Smith, calling the book a “fascinating, meticulous study,” summarizes its conclusions:

Hitler repeatedly affirmed the existence of God, but his conception of God differed substantially from the Bible’s. He rejected Christ’s divinity and frequently mocked Christianity. Hitler, Weikart points out, was a baptized, confirmed Catholic raised in Austria, a predominantly Catholic country, and he retained some vestiges of Christianity. Nevertheless, he repeatedly repudiated Christianity (especially privately) as “a Jewish plot to undermine the heroic ideals of the Aryan-dominated Roman Empire.” Hitler denounced Christianity as a poison, outmoded and dying, ridiculed its teachings, and persecuted Protestant and Catholic churches alike during the Third Reich [in cases when they refused to do his bidding]. Nor was Hitler an occultist, [as some have claimed], since he explicitly repudiated key occult convictions and mystical practices.

Weikart argues that Hitler is best understood as a pantheist, one who believes that nature is God and that the cosmos provides principles to guide human conduct. He frequently deified nature, referring to it as eternal and all powerful. . . . While presenting God as the creator and sustainer of the Volk—the German people—Hitler and the Nazis used religious symbols, terms, and passion in their speeches, rallies, and ceremonies to create an alternative faith. Hitler fully expected the Nazi worldview to replace Christianity in Germany and transform its culture and life. Moreover, Nazi propaganda depicted Hitler [himself] as a messianic figure, a savior chosen by God to liberate Germany from the punitive Versailles Treaty and restore its power and place in the world.

Oh really? And wasn't Germany a Christian country? And wasn't Hitler elected by Christians? And didn't he have the support of the Lutherans and the Catholics? Your Weikart is an apologist for the indefensible. The Germans were Christians and Nazis. "God is with us" is not the cry of a pantheist, any more than it was when other rulers killed in the name of Christ. The lesson of Jerzy Kosinski's The Painted Bird was that antisemitism and brutality did not originate in Hitler...it was there in the people and he simply exploited it.

Christians were behind the blood libel. Christians persecuted Jews as "Christkillers" for centuries. Christians promoted, aided and abetted the holocaust. It's a fact, Nipper. Sorry. It's not one of your fake Bible stories. It was not all Christians, of course, and American and British Christians had to kill German Christians to stop genocide. My father helped keep the Germans that remained in Berlin alive as he participated in the Berlin Airlift. The allies and the Marshall Plan helped reform the German people in the wake of Hitler's devastation, not the Christians or Christianity. This isn't Bible folklore, Nipper.

It is amusing to read your Jack Chick versions of history. With old Jack gone, the fundies will need more cartoon thinkers to step up.

[_Themis]

But how many times has the world been changed because someone felt a "call?" We have power, but it takes faith that we applying it in the right direction.

Applying it in the right direction takes good skepticism.

[_Choyo Chagas]

... cartoon thinkers ...

fits 100%

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sls5H4xVHys ...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_stereotype ...

[Guest]

MONTHLY ESSAYS OBSERVATIONS EDITORS' PICKS SUBJECTS ABOUT MOSAIC
Adolf Hitler Was Neither Christian Nor Atheist
FEB. 14 2017
In Hitler’s Religion, Richard Weikart thoroughly examines the evidence of the Nazi leader’s religious beliefs. Gary Scott Smith, calling the book a “fascinating, meticulous study,” summarizes its conclusions:

Hitler repeatedly affirmed the existence of God, but his conception of God differed substantially from the Bible’s. He rejected Christ’s divinity and frequently mocked Christianity. Hitler, Weikart points out, was a baptized, confirmed Catholic raised in Austria, a predominantly Catholic country, and he retained some vestiges of Christianity. Nevertheless, he repeatedly repudiated Christianity (especially privately) as “a Jewish plot to undermine the heroic ideals of the Aryan-dominated Roman Empire.” Hitler denounced Christianity as a poison, outmoded and dying, ridiculed its teachings, and persecuted Protestant and Catholic churches alike during the Third Reich [in cases when they refused to do his bidding]. Nor was Hitler an occultist, [as some have claimed], since he explicitly repudiated key occult convictions and mystical practices.

Weikart argues that Hitler is best understood as a pantheist, one who believes that nature is God and that the cosmos provides principles to guide human conduct. He frequently deified nature, referring to it as eternal and all powerful. . . . While presenting God as the creator and sustainer of the Volk—the German people—Hitler and the Nazis used religious symbols, terms, and passion in their speeches, rallies, and ceremonies to create an alternative faith. Hitler fully expected the Nazi worldview to replace Christianity in Germany and transform its culture and life. Moreover, Nazi propaganda depicted Hitler [himself] as a messianic figure, a savior chosen by God to liberate Germany from the punitive Versailles Treaty and restore its power and place in the world.

Oh really? And wasn't Germany a Christian country? And wasn't Hitler elected by Christians? And didn't he have the support of the Lutherans and the Catholics? Your Weikart is an apologist for the indefensible. The Germans were Christians and Nazis. "God is with us" is not the cry of a pantheist, any more than it was when other rulers killed in the name of Christ. The lesson of Jerzy Kosinski's The Painted Bird was that antisemitism and brutality did not originate in Hitler...it was there in the people and he simply exploited it.

Christians were behind the blood libel. Christians persecuted Jews as "Christkillers" for centuries. Christians promoted, aided and abetted the holocaust. It's a fact, Nipper. Sorry. It's not one of your fake Bible stories. It was not all Christians, of course, and American and British Christians had to kill German Christians to stop genocide. My father helped keep the Germans that remained in Berlin alive as he participated in the Berlin Airlift. The allies and the Marshall Plan helped reform the German people in the wake of Hitler's devastation, not the Christians or Christianity. This isn't Bible folklore, Nipper.

It is amusing to read your Jack Chick versions of history. With old Jack gone, the fundies will need more cartoon thinkers to step up.

SIr: Does ALL the money of the United States read "IN GOD WE TRUST"? Does that make America a "Christian" nation? Does that make you a Christian? You seem to imagine that because people wear crosses around their necks that makes them Bible thumpers? I've seen enough cross tattoos on enough creeps to know better. PS the Romans executed Jesus --- I don't hate Italians on account of it.
Also there seems enough evidence to indicate that Hitler was of Jewish descent.

[_SPG]

But how many times has the world been changed because someone felt a "call?" We have power, but it takes faith that we applying it in the right direction.

Applying it in the right direction takes good skepticism.

In an universe of infinite problems and solutions, picking a direction is a very hard thing. There are so many things we want and that way to get them is infinitely complex. What we do, is an attempt to get what we want.

Of course we are skeptical, but to much skepticism can kill us.

Imagine the desert we talked about earlier in this thread. You know that if you pick the right direction, you can live, but there are thousands of wrong choices. You can pick one direction with faith, or you can eliminate thousands of choices by skepticism. But in the end, when you take that first step, it is with some hope and courage that you are going the right way, it is with faith.

If you just give up and died, you have lost faith. If skepticism kills all of your choices, then you won't do anything.

[_Themis]

If you just give up and died, you have lost faith. If skepticism kills all of your choices, then you won't do anything.

Skepticism helps top eliminate the poor choices so one is more likely to pick a better choice. Skepticism does not kill faith. In this situation you may find only poor choices or odds of survival, but you can use skepticism to find the best of the worst and go with it. I wouldn't give up just because I recognize the odds are really low when it involves ones survival.

Is it wise for a near sighted very religious person to just pray God will miraculously make them see well, or would it be better to go see an optometrist? I see a lot of very religious people with glasses. How about an amputee. Should they spend their days praying God will heal them with a real limb, or would it be better to be skeptical and go about helping the scientific community learn how to grow one? Has God ever healed a missing limb?

How about cancer. If two people get cancer and one prays and prays they will be healed, while the other gets motivated to help raise money for cancer research, who is likely to have more positive affect on the world?

[_SPG]

How about an amputee. Should they spend their days praying God will heal them with a real limb, or would it be better to be skeptical and go about helping the scientific community learn how to grow one? Has God ever healed a missing limb?

How about cancer. If two people get cancer and one prays and prays they will be healed, while the other gets motivated to help raise money for cancer research, who is likely to have more positive affect on the world?

Faith is a little bit like an electron. One might not do much, but they are foundation of power, (give or take some.)

More faith gives more motivation.

As for limbs. We are making limbs for people. I've seen some printed out on 3D printers at home. Yes, those are the answers to prayer.

A short story: about 5 years ago my sister was diagnosed with stage 4 brain cancer. Another female about the same age, (a friend of a friend) was diagnosed with stage 4 brain cancer.

Both were given 3-6 months to live. Both had doctors and used alternative medicine. My sister had a small army praying for her. She was the 1 in 20 survivor. The other lady died. My sister had people applying prayer technology that she participated in.

3 years later, her surgeon asked about how she thought she had survived. His friend had gotten the same cancer and she was the miracle he wanted to understand.

[_Lemmie]

A short story: about 5 years ago my sister was diagnosed with stage 4 brain cancer. Another female about the same age, (a friend of a friend) was diagnosed with stage 4 brain cancer.

Both were given 3-6 months to live. Both had doctors and used alternative medicine. My sister had a small army praying for her. She was the 1 in 20 survivor. The other lady died. My sister had people applying prayer technology that she participated in.

Please tell me you never shared this story with your friend of a friend's family. Besides it being no proof whatsoever of anything, and only supporting the probabilities given by the doctors, it would be incredibly hurtful to her family to have to listen to such nonsense.

[_SPG]

Please tell me you never shared this story with your friend of a friend's family. Besides it being no proof whatsoever of anything, and only supporting the probabilities given by the doctors, it would be incredibly hurtful to her family to have to listen to such nonsense.

I didn't. I'm only an a$$hole online.

And you are right. It's not scientific evidence. But it is a faith promoting story. The science suggests that her exposure to second hand smoke from her job in a casino that triggered a genetic defense that gave her the extra edge to fight.

The sounds like BS too, but science believers suck it up.